Amiga Quake

[Peter]

I just bought Quake (Clickboom version) from Ebay but there is no registration card with it - hence no reg number ! - I have been back in touch with the seller but so far no response... any ideas?

It needs the code to install and play it.

[keropi]

my friend, with the 030 u have on your sig, don't even bother... It runs crap even on 060s....

[Peter]

I thought this might be the case... but now I have it, it may as well work...

[Dizzy]

well clickboom say

After successfully installing Quake, when I try to run it, Quake reports I need a registered version to run modified games, and I can't get it to work.

There's nothing wrong with Quake. Settings for your HD are probably incorrect and copying large files causes errors.
1. Load HDToolBox (located in Tools directory of your HD) and set the max transfer of every partition to $7FFF.
2. Reinstall Quake.
Explanation: Your Amiga might not be able to pick up all the data being delivered to it from a fast HD, so the problem shows up when copying big files.

so no need for a registration card


read more here http://www.clickboom.com/quake/faq.html

[keropi]

no, it needs a serial number to install it....

[Dizzy]

ok I never played the amiga version :D

[Ironclaw]

Ok, I'm no pro at this but.....

[AMIGAZ]

I thought this might be the case... but now I have it, it may as well work...

If you're lucky you can run it at a nice speed in 96x64 resolution with your '030 CPU :laughing

It's slow as hell even with a '060 and the '060 optimized main exe

It only runs smooth with a PowerUP card or using any of the GLQuake Amiga ports like BlitzQuake which flies even with the non PPC version

but it will be interesting to see exactly how fast and in which resolution you can run it ;)

[keropi]

LOL, it would look like this:


http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/restqp/quake.jpg

[Ironclaw]

LOL, it would look like this:


http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/restqp/quake.jpg

Pfff, use WinUAE instead for full size and speed :P.

[AMIGAZ]

Pfff, use WinUAE instead for full size and speed :P.

Bah...you emu-whore

Substitutions suck...the real thing rocks :spin

[Ironclaw]

Bah...you emu-whore

Substitutions suck...the real thing rocks :spin

Not if you want to play it at 100% efficiency :).... ok.. buy a super amiga for tons of money.. or just play the games flawlessly on the PC :D.

[keropi]

Pfff, use WinUAE instead for full size and speed :P.

what have we here?
oh, another EMU whore!!!!!!!! :bash :bash :bash :bash

[Peter]

Oh Sh*t - it IS SO SLOW... ok - looks like it's gonna prompt me to buy a huge super Amiga setup to play it.... or maybe back to Chaos Engine - I still havent finished that yet...

[musashi5150]

When I played Amiga Quake I always copied the WAD to RAMDisk ;)

[keropi]

@musashi: will it make any difference? the clickboom version is sh!t !!!!

[musashi5150]

Made a difference for me as my IDE drive is slow ;) Never got around to getting a nice SCSI3 drive for my Cyberstorm.

[kriz]

Also add much buffers to the drive you load it from, it helped me on the ppc version..

[keropi]

yah, I own 2 csppc, I faill to see any real difference on the 2nd amiga that has csppc and onboard ide drives.... the other has 28mb/s HD but it is useless in amiga world, lol

[Peter]

It actually looks ok on screen - it's just when you... move... that it all goes wrong... honestly I threw a grenade, went and had a bath and when I came back it had just gone off.

Never mind - I expected it really - my set up is not what you would call top end... back to Gloom.

[keropi]

LOL
talking about slow fuse!

[Ultron]

I'm a proud emuwhore.

I can play this shit, left, right, and center...

... AND WATCH PORN AT THE SAME TIME!

For the love of god - really, jesus actually wants it - buy a computer not made in the last century!

Porn, dewds! Porn!

[DDNI]

Yup, it clearly wasnt a female grenade, it would blown your Feckin hand off!!

[DDNI]

my SVCD porn collection plays lovely through AMP2 on my Amiga... Gotta be careful not to get my RARE A2000 keyboard mucky mind.

Dont mind cummin all over a Gatesy M$ one though.... ;)

[keropi]

I'm a proud emuwhore.

I can play this shit, left, right, and center...

... AND WATCH PORN AT THE SAME TIME!

For the love of god - really, jesus actually wants it - buy a computer not made in the last century!

Porn, dewds! Porn!

spoken like a true emu-whore! :laughing :laughing :laughing

I aggree with the " don't buy an amiga to play quake" but not with: "don't buy a last century amiga to play last century amiga games" ...

[tootoid]

...honestly I threw a grenade, went and had a bath and when I came back it had just gone off...
What's wrong with this? It just means you can play games and get other stuff done at the same time!

Fire the gun, go and do the washing up and when you come back the bullet's just reached the enemy. Throw another grenade, go make some dinner, back just in time to see the destruction. Now THAT's multi-tasking.

[Sensi]

Amiga Quake is SLOW. VERY SLOW.

[Ironclaw]

Amiga Quake is SLOW. VERY SLOW.

Not in WinUAE with the right settings and a decent PC :).

[Mad-Matt]

years ago when the quake demo player first came out, i must have spent hous running the time demo after adding a zillion twaeaks to the system in the hope of getting an extra fps on me old 030/33 ;) The game was abit more playable on 040/25 (4fps) if you didnt mind 160x160 render window :D

quite a different once i got ppc card (bppc 160)and Fastquake10 (23 fps 320x256). Glquake gets me to a measly 23 fps 640x480 with the bvision. and Blitzquake just edges out with the voodoo5 on med with 25fps 640x480. this is the ONLY prog that is faster with the med. uses some blending mode not compatable with bvis though :/

never tested uae .. wouldnt like the fps figure which would probably blow my miggy away ;)

[killergorilla]

Not in WinUAE with the right settings and a decent PC :).

True....

I can't wait for them to port Deus Ex to the Amiga so I can buy a top notch PC and play it in WinUAE either. :nuts

[Ironclaw]

My laptop is a crappy old one... 1.6ghz.... quake and everything I've tried is smooooooth..... no need for a fast pc.

[tootoid]

I reckon emulation is the way to go if you want to play Quake on the Amiga.

In fact, you could probably tweak it to bypass WinUAE completely and get Quake to run directly on the host machine which would mean....

....no wait, that would just be the same as running the native Win32 version of Quake.

:laughing

[killergorilla]

My laptop is a crappy old one... 1.6ghz.... quake and everything I've tried is smooooooth..... no need for a fast pc.

My point was... Quake was a PC game, the requirements to play the PC version on a PC are a hell of a lot less than running the Amiga version...

so the point of running Quake under WinUAE is... (other than going.. ooh look Quake on an 'Amiga').

:great

[Ironclaw]

I got your point.... but I said what I said because I roxxors your boxors and are a cool bloke with a.. ehmm.. donno...... break is over.. back to work...


Think of all that wouldn't be today if it wasn't for WinUAE :).

[Sensi]

Ironclaw, you should feel ashamed. Amiga games deserve better machine than some old laptop with small screen. Here´s a penalty - 9 times in a row :D

[killergorilla]

Think of all that wouldn't be today if it wasn't for WinUAE :).

:agree (Just managed to save yourself from a gibberish post!)

Too true though.

Although IronClaw I do believe you need to eat more peanut M&Ms.

3 bags for 99p in Tesco at the moment.

[Ultron]

My point was... Quake was a PC game, the requirements to play the PC version on a PC are a hell of a lot less than running the Amiga version...

so the point of running Quake under WinUAE is... (other than going.. ooh look Quake on an 'Amiga').

:great
Admittedly, that's the whole point. But since insanity requires an Amiga to play these games, the emulated is the best - in most cases, the only one. Granted, it only highlights the inanity - not altogether a bad thing either - but try suggesting the high papacy of boing ball purity the purchase of a PC! Never mind that they're all using IBM Power PCs to begin with.

I literally think that these people wanting to run PC games on an Amiga are insane myself - attempting to prove the superiority of an Amiga by proving it's inferiority is, by definition, insane - but, inanity granted, the suggestion Ironclaw gave is the best one, and perhaps the only one.

[utri007]

But luckily seller found code

There is a bug inside of wad file, one of the CU Amiga CDs has a quide to solve problem.

or use this

http://aminet.net/package/game/patch/FastPatchQuake

With that I get 8 - 12 fps with my 040 40mhz with screen size 70% 1x1

Playable

[Retro-Nerd]

But luckily seller found code
With that I get 8 - 12 fps with my 040 40mhz with screen size 70% 1x1

Playable

Looks like a flip-book, right? :lol

[Zetr0]

Using my Apollo 060@50 (32MB FPM) AND Cybervision64 3D Mk2 all i could manage max was 17frames a sec... (320x240x8) and it was jerky as hell..

I cannot believe that me an LidLessEye used to play this across the internet at that speed! man oh man slow!!!

anyway to remedy the problem and to achive a staggering performance boost to over 100 frames a second at 1024x768x16 flawless gamming i purchased an Athlon 700mhz Argon series with ATI all in wonder 128Pro VIVO (32MB Ram) .... aye.... a pc!

[EmuChicken]

wouldnt it be best to play doom ?

... isnt the Amiga emulating Quake then? why not just play it on the PC? .. you say over and over that emulators suck "try the real thing" etc :)

[Peter]

Doom doesn't run too badly on an 030 - just so long as there isn't too much going on... I think I have Adoom... I'm at work so I cant check at the moment... is this the best version?

Where can you get additional levels or is it WADS?? for Amiga Doom?

[Mad-Matt]

DoomAttack is the best 68k Doom port. Highly optimised, lots of settings and extras and noticably faster then Adoom. It's a port I so wish wasnt left to die. its source would have been very useful to create a ppc version ;)

As for the wads, it uses all the ones the pc version uses, so where ever you get them from ;)

[Graham Humphrey]

I've got a few CU Amiga and Amiga Format CDs with Doom WADs on, they're a good place to look (and quite a few Quake add-ons as well, come to that).

[Steve]

I downloaded ADoom last night and was playing Doom, Doom2 and Ultimate Doom at full speed perfectly on WinUAE. ADoom is a very good port!

http://aminet.net/game/shoot/ADoom-1.3.lha
http://aminet.net/game/shoot/ADoom-1.3.readme

I did have one or two problems with a dodgy WAD file but soon found one that worked properly. :D

Now I'm trying out Quake on WinUAE. Using the QuakePlayer from ClickBOOM's website I can run almost flawlessly at 640x480x8 uaegfx. Not sure what the frame rate is but it must be pretty high.

http://www.clickboom.com/ftp/demos/amiga/quakeplayer.lha

Running the full game is a different matter though. Strangely on my computer the Quake loader program will only work if I tick the box [Use OS for screen update]. If this box isn't ticked then the damn thig crashes which is a bit annoying. Its playable at 320x240x8 but it does update a bit slowly.

http://aminet.net/game/shoot/Quake68k.lha
http://aminet.net/game/shoot/Quake68k.readme

Anyone tried AmiQuake and know of a way around this? I did try snoopdos and it told me that Quake failed in its search for the bsdsocket.library but I don't think this could be the problem.

As for the question 'why run quake on an emulator?' Because its a good test of WinUAE's capabilities. It shows what a well configured Amiga hard drive and emulator can really do. :D

[Mad-Matt]

Theres also Blitzquake68k which is a gl port that runs real fast under uae including the blitzquake gfx addon pack.

at 640x480 I get 57 fps with "timedemo demo2"
my ppc amiga gets 25fps at same settings using a voodoo3 card via mediator.

[cv643d]

Ugh yeah, I remember we had some heated discussions on a local BBS about how fast a 060 CPU really was. I made the comparison that Quake on my Cyberstorm060 was as fast as Quake was on my 486 DX2 66 MHz (which had PCI slots and a PCI graphics card) so a 060 CPU was about the same speed wise. I made lots of enemies from that post :)

[Zetr0]

@cv643d

sounds like you made a very good post indeed :D

[killergorilla]

And sounds like you spent a shed load of money on it too :p

[PaperMario21]

lol, what's wrong with you people?
running horrible ports of pc games on amiga, shame on you! :p

[Zetr0]

my theory is that quake was originally designed and theoriesed on an Amiga..

its only a theory mind, and totally unlikely, but its my theory and no one can take it away from me :D

[DoogUK]

I've just installed quake64k on my 1260T and it runs smooth as anything...perfectly playable on AGA only.

[asm1]

I've just installed quake64k on my 1260T and it runs smooth as anything...perfectly playable on AGA only.


Isnt "Software rendered" Quake nasty though ? I thought the least you'd need some sort of GL (i.e. Graphics Card)....

[DoogUK]

Yep...the textures are very patchy and blocky.

[Graham Humphrey]

I once tried running Quake on my 68040 with AGA in High-Res Laced, full screen, with everything set to maximum.

Ouch.

[Thorham]

... isnt the Amiga emulating Quake then? why not just play it on the PC? .. you say over and over that emulators suck "try the real thing" etc :)No, the Amiga doesn't emulate Quake, it runs a port of Quake, which is something quite different. In my opinion if an Amiga port of a PeeCee game runs well, such as Doom Attack for example, playing it on the Amiga is perfectly fine. However, when a game is to heavy for your Amiga hardware and you need WinUae, then I really don't see the point, and playing the PeeCee version makes more sense.
Isnt "Software rendered" Quake nasty though ? I thought the least you'd need some sort of GL (i.e. Graphics Card)....No, you don't need 3D hardware. The original Quake uses a software rendering engine. Remember, the game was released in 1996. Perhaps it has a 3D hardware option, but it certainly doesn't need it.

And besides, for it's time it's quite impressive. Today people are spoilt by the high quality of modern 3D graphics, and want everything in that quality. I certainly don't, and I'm happy to play Doom with Doom Attack on my '030+AGA :D

[DoogUK]

Also tried it on my a4000/040@25 last night....it wasn't a nice experience.
The 060@80 handles it flawlessly though.
I'm going to install clickbooms version later as you can try higher resolutions on that.

[asm1]

@Thorham

What I meant was, I thought you'd need a Graphics card to run Quake with any sort of decent frame rate, particularly on an Amiga. I know all about it being "old" I had it when it came out and ran it on my P90 with 24MB ram and 2MB Graphics - that "ran it" fine. I got a 3DFX card for Q2 though...

[DoogUK]

Quake 2 and a voodoo2....blew me away that did.

[Thorham]

What I meant was, I thought you'd need a Graphics card to run Quake with any sort of decent frame rate, particularly on an Amiga.Aha, sorry about that :o Yeah, you'll probably need some sort of gfx card on the Amiga to play it properly, unless someone writes an insanely well optimized version in assembler, and that's probably not going to happen ;)

[Zetr0]

....sigh... a GL version, compatible with 3D gfx cards *including zorro cards like the cybervision 643D etc, Then I want it optimized for the 68060, would be a dream to behold.....

but recently I got an AGA version of Quake, and I was pretty damn impressed by it!

[asm1]

Quake 2 and a voodoo2....blew me away that did.


Aye it was rather sexy wasn't it? :laughing Dammit I cant find my original CD's.... oh well will have to acquire it somehow...

[DDNI]

Q2 and a Voodoo3 ON AMIGA!!
It was a shock to discover that it existed!

[DoogUK]

isnt that PPC only though?

[DDNI]

isnt that PPC only though?

ssssHHHH dont tell them all... ;)

[Mad-Matt]

Quake 2 is 68k too (Warp3D only). Too slow on 040/25 though, barely 1-2 fps ;)

Clickboom Quake is Highly optimised and runs as well as quake is going to run on Amiga in software mode. Plenty of options to play with though for any amiga config to attempt to play the game ;).

Blitzquake I think is the most optimal of the Amiga QuakeGL ports. Runs reasoably well on 68k, but better with ppc ;)

[DDNI]

Is it time for me to link to my Quake videos AGAIN ;) ???

[DoogUK]

Well i just installed clickbooms version...it's painfuly slow and unplayable.

Quake68k flies though....strange.

[Zetr0]

Can BlitzQuake run on an apollo060@50(64MB) with Voodoo5500PCI and Warp3D ?

anyone done this yet? how does it run ?

[cv643d]

Well i just installed clickbooms version...it's painfuly slow and unplayable.

Quake68k flies though....strange.

Yes, even on a 060/50 MHz it was a sick joke IMHO

[DoogUK]

This was on an 060@80mhz..........and it seemed like .5 FPS, Quakes68k was faster on the 040@25.
It's obvious clickboom optimised their quake engine for RTG.

[cv643d]

I think I got 8-9 FPS full screen on my old A4000 060-50 with CV64-3D.

I should really try it on my current A4000D maxed to the max with CSPPC 233 + CVPPC or on my A1200D with 060 clocked at 80MHz (yes Jens, there is something Apollo cards are good for :-) : running at 80 MHz ).