Lemmings 2 - little prob with my original

[MethodGit]

I have an original of Lemmings 2 (of which thankfully disk2fdi images the disks of 'properly' btw), but I remember every time I played it back then it would always have this bizarre little problem/bug affecting the accessibility of the Practice mode. :confused

Sometimes when the game booted up, it would let you go to the Practice mode when you clicked on the icon, as normal. But other times, and I noticed this often, upon clicking on the icon nothing would occur, no matter how many times you bashed the mouse cursor against it.

I am not sure if it's just my copy or whether other owners of this game have witnessed it too. Does anyone who has the game know if the bug occurs with their version too?

I tried this recently through WinUAE & WinFellow and I think the same thing occurs through emulation as well.

In fact, if I can just remember, I think it also affected another little minor thing, but I can't remember exactly. I think it had something to do with the accessibility of levels in each world? Maybe if I fire it up again and look closely, I might find out.

[Codetapper]

If your "original" of Lemmings 2 is like the "original" of Lethal Weapon you sent me ages ago, perhaps it's a cracking error that causes the bug :)

If you do a byte diff on the Ministry crack of Lethal Weapon and the disk you sent me, you will see some lamer has cleaned off track 1 which contains the intro which cracks the game. Hence your "original" is nothing of the sort...

Perhaps Lemmings 2 is the same...

May I ask where do you obtain these originals? Do they come on those standard blue disks with a hand written label on them saying the name of the game and with no box or instructions?

[Galahad/FLT]

Lemmings 2 as I recall uses Rob Northens Copylock.... so, I am at a loss as how DiskFDI or whatever can backup your disks!

[MethodGit]

Originally posted by Codetapper
If your "original" of Lemmings 2 is like the "original" of Lethal Weapon you sent me ages ago, perhaps it's a cracking error that causes the bug :)

*Laughs and scorns at Codetapper*

Get real! Maybe I should've mentioned this in the initial post, but my Lemmings 2 game is an original, commercial, BOUGHT-FROM-STORES copy, with the actual labels on. Does that answer your question? :rolleyes

If you do a byte diff on the Ministry crack of Lethal Weapon and the disk you sent me, you will see some lamer has cleaned off track 1 which contains the intro which cracks the game. Hence your "original" is nothing of the sort...

Look, you have to remember that I got the image of Spokyz' HD-version, how was I to know he/she/it used a crack?!

Perhaps Lemmings 2 is the same...

Hardly. See above.

May I ask where do you obtain these originals? Do they come on those standard blue disks with a hand written label on them saying the name of the game and with no box or instructions?

No, my Lemmings 2 original is nothing like that, again see above. Although I do have a collection of cracked copies of some games that I got off someone yonks ago. Some of the disks are even rare in Amiga scene terms.

[Twistin'Ghost]

Originally posted by MarzAttakz
...Although I do have a collection of cracked copies of some games that I got off someone yonks ago. Some of the disks are even rare in Amiga scene terms.
Like what, for example. And if they really are rare as described, then why haven't they been dumped and posted for all to enjoy?

[Codetapper]

If you do a byte diff on the Ministry crack of Lethal Weapon and the disk you sent me, you will see some lamer has cleaned off track 1 which contains the intro which cracks the game. Hence your "original" is nothing of the sort...

Look, you have to remember that I got the image of Spokyz' HD-version, how was I to know he/she/it used a crack?!

OK so let me get this straight. You download any old file off the net and email WHDLoad authors pretending you have imaged it from an original disk in your possession?

The whole point of originals that you can be SURE the person sending you the game has the ORIGINAL to test and hasn't been altered in any way. They can test imagers, check the original disk does work where a crack might not etc.

I'm sorry but grabbing a file and pretending it's an original is another in the long list of lame things you have done...

Don't bother posting any more "originals" unless you have the original disk in your possession as I can not trust you as a source and I should warn the other WHDLoad guys to treat any originals from you as possible cracks...

[MethodGit]

Originally posted by Twistin' Ghost
Like what, for example. And if they really are rare as described, then why haven't they been dumped and posted for all to enjoy?

I did dump a few before, but you lot must have ignored them. :( I might as well find these disks and redump them then.

@Codetapper:
I would've thought Spokyz would've used an original for that HD version he upped. :( I learnt my lesson, Codetapper.

But only you was able to fully examine the image like that. You'd really think I'd be able to examine it myself beforehand? Especially considering I have no idea what app you were using to do that? Anyhow, I guess that explains why it would never work as an ADF.

That only happened ONCE though. Unless you'd care to remind me which other "pseudo-originals" I supposedly point out?

I ask you time and time again to go easy on me, but you blatantly refuse. What more do you want from me? If it involves not posting on the board anymore, surely you jest.

Anyway, you completely failed to say anything regarding the fact that I justified my claim of having an original of Lemmings 2. Ignoring the truth, are you?

[Codetapper]

Originally posted by MarzAttakz


I did dump a few before, but you lot must have ignored them. :( I might as well find these disks and redump them then.

@Codetapper:
I would've thought Spokyz would've used an original for that HD version he upped. :( I learnt my lesson, Codetapper.

But only you was able to fully examine the image like that. You'd really think I'd be able to examine it myself beforehand? Especially considering I have no idea what app you were using to do that? Anyhow, I guess that explains why it would never work as an ADF.

That only happened ONCE though. Unless you'd care to remind me which other "pseudo-originals" I supposedly point out?

I ask you time and time again to go easy on me, but you blatantly refuse. What more do you want from me? If it involves not posting on the board anymore, surely you jest.

Anyway, you completely failed to say anything regarding the fact that I justified my claim of having an original of Lemmings 2. Ignoring the truth, are you?

I don't care about Lemmings 2 but as Galahad said, how did you even run it on emulators? Maybe your disk is faulty, have you tried the crack etc? Does it do the same thing on a real Amiga?

Regarding originals, all you have to do is tell people "I downloaded this so it may not be the original" whereas you clearly told me "this is the original" which was lies... If you are unsure, don't assume! Simple...

[MethodGit]

I tested both Fairlight-cracked and original versions of the game and here's what happened:

Original: Unfortunately, it appears I was right, the same problem occurs through WinUAE, even when I set it to similar settings to my Amiga. :( Also, just to note, after the intro, where it asks for Disk 2, and you insert it, it goes into the game-loading process straight away.

Fairlight: The practice mode definitely works every time, with every reboot. How strange then that a feature works 100% in a cracked version, but not in an original commercial version. Maybe I was just unlucky and bought a shitty, buggered copy back then? The after-intro thing behaves differently in this version I've noticed. Instead of going straight to the process of loading the game after you've inserted Disk 2, it loads for a bit then resets the Amiga, seemingly altered just so they get you to look at their "Cracked by Fairlight" screen again (before the game loads) I'll bet. :rolleyes

Codetapper, if you want me to I can upload both Fairlight and original versions of the game so you can do a close examination with them, see if certain code's any different between them or something.

[Galahad/FLT]

Hmmmm..... lets go back to what I said earlier on in this thread!

I think it went along the lines of 'Lemmings 2 uses Rob Northens Copylock as I recall.......'

The reason WHY your COPY of Lemmings 2 doesn't WORK is because its a COPY.... as soon as you COPY you original of Lemmings 2 to the PC.... it becomes a COPY!! Disk2FDI or whatever the hell it's called CANNOT copy the COPYLOCK track, the PC cannot READ the COPYLOCK track, therefore it is only reasonable to assume that DMA Design put code in there to detect the COPYLOCK, if it can't find it, I would imagine it gives you the results you are experiencing.

Of course, DMA Design might have not coded their code properly, and your PC might be able to read a COPYLOCK track, or maybe its one of another ten thousand unlikely reasons why....... the obvious however, is so pitifully, and boringly OBVIOUS

Can we end this stupid naive thread now? Or perhaps we should start a 'why do games have protection thread' or maybe invite Rob Northen to this site so he can amuse himself over people STILL having problems with a nearly 13 year old protection system!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MethodGit]

Okay, you two, maybe you didn't fully understand what I meant in one particular part of the first post:

I have an original of Lemmings 2 (of which thankfully disk2fdi images the disks of 'properly' btw), but I remember every time I played it back then it would always have this bizarre little problem/bug affecting the accessibility of the Practice mode.

When I said "back then", I meant when I played it on my real Amiga 500 all those years ago. There's no protection larkey about it. When disk2fdi imaged the disks, its status showed no trouble with track 1 or anything, so there must not really be a copylock on my copy.

And besides, why do you think the Copylock could be locking off one part of the game, when, and I do remember this, the normal game was still perfectly accessible?

The reason for the Practice mode problem CANNOT be because of some lame Copylock - the bug occurs on the ORIGINAL, COMMERCIAL, NON-COPY DISKS (WITH THE ORIGINAL LEMMINGS 2 DISK LABELS) as well.

Capiche? Understando? Speaka da English?

You know what, maybe I should upload the original for you to look at and fully understand. Something tells me that you haven't actually played the game, all you know is that it could be "protected".

You can check the code all you want, the fact remains that I am still capable of playing the main game, just not the Practice mode.

[Mangar]

You know what, maybe I should upload the original for you to look at and fully understand. Something tells me that you haven't actually played the game, all you know is that it could be "protected".

If you upload the original it would therefore become a copy.

My version of Lemmings II works fine. Practise mode and all. You're arguing with people who's knowledge of 'copy protection' is in a different galaxy compared to yours.

[Ian]

I'd have to agree, you do realise who your questioning, Galahad T Legend from Fairlight.

Maybe just maybe he actually knows what he's talking about. Even if he is wrong (Which I doubt), you've gone about it completely the wrong way. Show a little respect at least.

You've also said twice in this thread now Marz that you are going to upload your version/s for 'Tapper to have a look at, time for you to put up or shut up, me thinks.

[Galahad/FLT]

Quot: Capiche? Understando? Speaka da English?

Yes, I understand that YOU dont understand!

There is not ONE Psygnosis game EVER released that didn't have protection.... EVER!

Lemmings the first game played tricks if it didn't detect a Copylock track. Could it be that Psygnosis have supplied you with a US version? Well, no, because Psygnosis unlike other software companies didn't alter their protection schemes for the US market (most uk re-releases in the US would have a manual protection not on disk protection).

So, in conclusion..... I undestand perfectly.... that you, and I have read a few mails about you, and seen that you are pefectly inadequate at making any kind of comprehensible retort or reply (generally you are skilled in bullshitting quite a bit!).

I dont enjoy using my 'status' to take the piss out of people, nor do I think I have any more rights than anyone else here.... but fuck... you are one annoying twat!

FInal message, I no longer wish to read nor respond to any more of your 'interesting' threads!

[MethodGit]

Originally posted by Ian
I'd have to agree, you do realise who your questioning, Galahad T Legend from Fairlight.

Maybe just maybe he actually knows what he's talking about. Even if he is wrong (Which I doubt), you've gone about it completely the wrong way. Show a little respect at least.

OK, I apologise highly if Galahad thought I was being incredibly rude there, but sometimes I get EXTREMELY pissed off if people don't fully understand 100% what I'm trying to talk about!

I mean, my negative reply was also caused partly by the way he responded to my plight before I blurted out all that "Capiche?" stuff. It seemed like he was being rude to me first! All I was doing was explaining what I experienced! For christ sake, he kept going on about that CopyLock as well!

You've also said twice in this thread now Marz that you are going to upload your version/s for 'Tapper to have a look at, time for you to put up or shut up, me thinks.

I was gonna wait for a confirmation from 'Tapper (to see if he was keen on looking at them), but it seems he's not gonna come back to this thread in a short while, so flip it, I'm just gonna up them now.

EDIT: Well, it's gonna have to wait till tomorrow now, it's bed time.

[Jim]

Marz,

As you can probably see I've not been here long.

Now, I'm not sure what you're past history is but I think you must have upset quite a few people because the vibe I am picking up in all your threads appears to be "Attack Marz" rather than Marz Attacks !

I'm sure you don't mean to upset people, but likewise I'm sure you didn't mean to get into an argument with someone whose little toe knows more about copy protection than most of us.

Which leads me to the question if you didn't know who Fairlight is (the avtar logo wasn't hard to miss even if you can't read) then how come you end up having a 5 year old original of Lemmings that you remember playing 5 years ago.

And surely within the space of those 5 years you must of at some point heard the name Fairlight somewhere ?

The only people I could think who haven't heard of these groups are new people to the Amiga scene, so how would they have played Lemmings 5 years ago ! ?

So this defeats the entire post as you stated that you didn't download it - it was an ORIGINAL.

[Codetapper]

Marz: Don't bother uploading Lemmings 2, I'm too busy to do a simple diff which you could do yourself on the game. There are plenty of tools out there which show you which bytes are different on your version, I even wrote a tool myself for this task.

PS: IIRC, part of the game is Dos so you may find on your cracked version a file called "Fairlight" and on your "original" it isn't there :) If it's NDOS, you're in for some fun looking at the diff output!

PPS: I doubt Fairlight introduce "reset your computer first time you play so you can admire the intro again" code either. WinUAE bugs as usual...

PPPS: Maybe an angered member of one of the boards you reside on knew he was selling the game to you so copied over the copylock to annoy you :) Check if track 1 is readable on the disks... And don't ask me how, work it out - it's not brain surgery.

[MethodGit]

Originally posted by Codetapper
Marz: Don't bother uploading Lemmings 2, I'm too busy to do a simple diff which you could do yourself on the game. There are plenty of tools out there which show you which bytes are different on your version, I even wrote a tool myself for this task.

What's your tool called by any chance? Is it on the Action site?

PS: IIRC, part of the game is Dos so you may find on your cracked version a file called "Fairlight" and on your "original" it isn't there :) If it's NDOS, you're in for some fun looking at the diff output!

Ok, here's what I know about the Lemmings 2 disk format.

The 3 disks are "semi-dos" - that's in, they're dos-readable (you can see the files etc.) but disks 1 & 2 have their own special loader and don't rely on a startup-sequence script in order to run the intro/game. The same thing seems to apply with Walker (speaking of Walker, are you still working on the WHD install for it? (I'm asking in a very polite way, and am in no way impatient.))

Some details about the game can be found here (http://www.amigagames.com/gage/l/lemmings2.html).

PPS: I doubt Fairlight introduce "reset your computer first time you play so you can admire the intro again" code either. WinUAE bugs as usual...

You mean, WinUAE occasionally has problems understanding certain code? Maybe Fairlight's after-Disk-2 code wasn't understandable, and the original's was...

PPPS: Maybe an angered member of one of the boards you reside on knew he was selling the game to you so copied over the copylock to annoy you :) Check if track 1 is readable on the disks... And don't ask me how, work it out - it's not brain surgery.

Ummmm, you still don't quite understand? I bought the game in a shop around the time of its release, back in 1992/93. I didn't buy it off anyone in particular. Back in that time I didn't even know what a "forum" was, and I didn't have that much knowledge about the Internet itself!

[Codetapper]

Originally posted by MarzAttakz

What's your tool called by any chance? Is it on the Action site?

XDiff, no - never released to the public. Check aminet, there are tonnes of them.

You mean, WinUAE occasionally has problems understanding certain code? Maybe Fairlight's after-Disk-2 code wasn't understandable, and the original's was...

More likely "WinUAE is bugged compared to a real Amiga"...

Yes I'm still doing Walker WHDLoad...

Check if track 1 is readable on the disks...

Ummmm, you still don't quite understand? I bought the game in a shop around the time of its release, back in 1992/93. I didn't buy it off anyone in particular. Back in that time I didn't even know what a "forum" was, and I didn't have that much knowledge about the Internet itself!

How about listening to what I say for a change! I didn't ask where you bought it, I simply said try and image the disk! Does track 1 image correctly or reports an error? If track 1 has no error then your original disk is probably stuffed, no matter where you got it.

[MethodGit]

OK, I just disk2fdi'd Disk 1 (intro disk) and Disk 2 (game boot disk) again and I can tell you that both heads 0 and 1 of Cylinder 1 (is a cylinder the same thing as a track?) reported no problems whatsoever. No tracks on the two disks reported anything that stood out really.

Hey, wait! :shocked Just tried imaging Disk 3 (the data disk) again and it mentioned that Cylinder 0, Head 1 was not standard. Maybe the game does have a copylock after all? I would've expected the boot disks to have it though!

OK, I really need a copy of someone else's original now and compare the two originals, and see if my game truly is in the wrong. Does anyone on here also have Lemmings 2? If so, could you please upload it when you have the time? I think I'll post a request for it in the "Games req" section as well, just in case no-one else notices this thread.

PS: IIRC, part of the game is Dos so you may find on your cracked version a file called "Fairlight" and on your "original" it isn't there :)

Ummmmmm, I just checked the Fairlight version and no, there's no "Fairlight" file or anything.

Something tells me you need to find the time to learn about the disk details of this game closely, cos you're not quite sure. Hopefully I can still upload/show you both versions sometime in the near future? ;)

[Ian]

Originally posted by MarzAttakz
OK, I really need a copy of someone else's original now and compare the two originals, and see if my game truly is in the wrong. Does anyone on here also have Lemmings 2? If so, could you please upload it when you have the time? I think I'll post a request for it in the "Games req" section as well, just in case no-one else notices this thread.
Why don't you post YOUR originals for someone else to check against THEIR originals, seeing as you've already said you don't know how to check the differences anyway.
Originally posted by MarzAttakz
Hopefully I can still upload/show you both versions sometime in the near future? ;)
See above

[MethodGit]

Originally posted by Ian
Why don't you post YOUR originals for someone else to check against THEIR originals, seeing as you've already said you don't know how to check the differences anyway.

Ok, but how am I gonna make a Lemmings 2 owner notice my plight and check the disks for me? They might not look at this thread.

[Ian]

With that attitude Marz, you'll never get anything done:rolleyes

Just up it and hope for the best:) I'm sure someone would check it out (and for various reason;))

[MethodGit]

Done. ;)

Hope someone does help me out.

[andreas]

When disk2fdi imaged the disks, its status showed no trouble with track 1 or anything, so there must not really be a copylock on my copy.
There definitely IS NO copylock on your copy.
Verified and checked. Rob Northen would always "make himself immortal" by writing his name into the block data.
There is no "Rob Northen" in any of the three disks you uploaded.
Maybe it's true and Lemmings 2 - The Tribes did actually not use COPYLOCK for protection.

"To err is human" (tm)

[MethodGit]

@andreas: have you looked at Disk 3 though? What explains the "non-standard" track report on Cylinder 0, Head 1?

Could that be the "Copylock"?

Do you have Lemmings 2 as well, btw?

[andreas]

I also looked on Disk 3, of course. This is an absolutely ordinary AmigaDOS disk!
I didn't encounter any NDOS parts.
And no, I don't have a L2 original. Sorry.

[Ian]

Well Marz I checked all your disk's with beyond compare (First file comparing software that showed up with google) and your disk three matches exactly to the Fairlight crack disk 3.

I think your original may have been one of those that should have been taken back to the shop and replaced with a fully working version.

[andreas]

Galahad is right (as usual)!

Good memory after all these years, I can say :)

Look on http://www.whdload.de/games/Lemmings2.html

Version 1.0 (01.01.2002) by Psygore:
- Nice Glow/NewIcons included
- SSP&USP moved to fast memory
- RNC protection removed
- Uses fastmem and all caches
- Intro uses OS emulation (OSEmu.400 is not included)
- Files are decrunched via WHDLoad (all files can be depacked)
- Saved-Positions are saved on HD
- Quit with F10/Exit

Well it took a while to get this RNC thing for me :p ( = Rob Northen Computing).
That's the proof, guys! :)

[Mangar]

Was there any doubt.. really...

[Ian]

Originally posted by Mangar
Was there any doubt.. really...
Erm...No;)

@Marz,
Your "Original" version works fine with the install script by Psygore, which means something he has changed has fixed whatever problem your copy has (More than likely the copy protection as Galahad said much...MUCH earlier in this thread)

It could be you were sold a copy by some unscrupulous Shop-keep (This did used to happen quite a lot you know) espiecally since you have made no mention what so ever of actually having a box for it. (Maybe an oversight on your part)

Anyway there IS something wrong with your "originals" and it's something to do with what Psygore has fixed with the script.

Infact maybe the protection actually turned the game into a demo version if it detected the game was a copy. (Thus not letting you access some levels & the practise mode) I don't know how clever Rob Northern was/is , but that would be one cool protection system, I mean some idiot may think he's got the full version for years without realising it's been restricted by the copy protection scheme because someone copied it.

Opps, sorry Marz, no offence;)

[Twistin'Ghost]

I tend to lean in the direction of the sleazy storekeep selling a bogus original, but I shall wait to hear details on box and manual from Marz. The only other possibility that hasn't been explored in this thread is a budget release version, although I am not aware of any such release for this game. Marz, the ball's in your court. What did you pay for your copy? Was it shrink-wrapped?

[andreas]

Marz, I've got another "solution" to prove that it's an original.
I've got a virus checker (!) here called ZeroVirus which might as well be "misused" as a bootblock viewer.
Your task is to check the bootblocks (Block 0) of ALL THREE disks (Edit: checking disk 3 is sufficient!) if there's some ascii text containing Rob Northen in it. If there isn't, your shop keep should've been arrested for this kind of fraud!

[andreas]

Got a reply from Psygore himself today!
It's much better to ask the people who actually DID the installers than to make purely invented assertions!

This is what Psygore replied to my question *if* there's a copylock on the disk and *where* it is exactly:

YES!
Lemmings 2 has a Rob Northen copylock protection on track 1 (disk 3)

For info, if the copylock is badly decoded, you can NOT use the practice mode and you can play ONLY the first level of any world, you can NOT reach the next level when you finished the first!
That's all we need to know - isn't it? :)

See ya!
Marz, that's what you could have done first. This would definitely have saved 10 posts and arguing battles in this thread.

[MethodGit]

So, this was like with every copy of the game then?! :shocked

Is there a way to make the copylock decode 'properly' every time so that all features work?

I'm surprised no-one sent a thousand complaints to Psygnosis and/or DMA Design about this one!

@Twist: Luckily I still have the Lemmings 2 box (it's one of a small supply of Amiga boxes I have left), and it still has the small Lemming commands pamphlet which came with it. Not sure if I still have the manual though (was there a book-like manual with the game originally?), although I can try and find it in the two boxes full of Amiga manuals we have. :)

Unfortunately I can't quite remember which shop exactly and which area I bought it from, or even whether it was bought as a birthday/christmas present or what. I don't know how much it cost back then, but my guess is it could've been around somewhere between £20-30, surely. I don't think any specific budget re-release of the game came around, though.

Maybe I should ask my sister sometime if she can remember :cheese, although I shouldn't get my hopes up (remember this is the girl who groans at me when I talk about Amiga to her...).

[bippym]

Why would anyone complain to Psygnosis or DMA about the copy protection that they put on THEIR games to stop them being easily copied. Lets face it thats why it is there, is it not?

When these games were originally released the developers would not have thought about users 8-10 years down the line trying to play these originals on emulated amiga's, all they were bothered about is what was happening then and how many units will be shifted before the pirated versions got around.

Basically if it works properly on a real Amiga then it works as intended, if on the other hand it doesn't you have a duff copy!

[Twistin'Ghost]

Marz, none of those details are necessary now, since we know the copylock track is on disk 3. But for the record, the packaging for that game consisted of the shiny outer sleeve Psygnosis often used, the recycled inner cardboard box with Psygnosis logo on it, the manual, and a gatefold thingie with The Story of the 12 Tribes of Lemming Island book. Stuff too good to be tossed.

[andreas]

Well Marz I checked all your disk's with beyond compare (First file comparing software that showed up with google) and your disk three matches exactly to the Fairlight crack disk 3.
Ian strikes again! :)
And things are more obvious than ever. For easier copying, your shop keep just REPLACED the protected Disk 3 by a cracked one, that's more than just obvious, isn't ìt? MAJOR FRAUD ALERT! :mad
And this could finally end the discussion now.

[MethodGit]

But, how can both versions have exactly the same disk?

The Fairlight disk 3 works 100% all the time, unlike the original disk 3!

[Codetapper]

OK this thread has gone on long enough, let's end it already!

For info, if the copylock is badly decoded, you can NOT use the practice mode and you can play ONLY the first level of any world, you can NOT reach the next level when you finished the first!

Psygore has told everyone here everything that they need to know. If Marz copylock track is screwed on disk 3 or his CPU doesn't decode it exactly (disk maybe old/can't fully read that track etc) then the game won't work properly.

As for why the Fairlight version works and the original doesn't, they have hard wired the copylock to have the correct key for the disk so it bypasses all the (dodgy) calculation/check routines inside it and works. And this cracked part is no doubt in the main program located (maybe) on disk 1 or (more likely) disk 2 hence your disk 3 may appear to be the same as the crack.

RNC (in this case) = Rob Northen Copylock (not Computing).

Rob Northen was a sneaky guy - lots of games (eg. The Spy Who Loved Me, Speedball 2, Hook, Magic Pockets etc) get through the copylock code even without the original but they don't alter some crucial parts of memory which crash the game or make it impossible to get past some obstacles later on.

BTW, I don't believe Marz paid for this game - it must have been either shoplifted or a present. No manual (yeah like you throw them away), unsure of the price (Marz paying full price for a game? Get real!), sketchy details about the whole thing. Anyway Psygore's install works so let's end this discussion.

[MethodGit]

You can't blame me for forgetting the obtaining details, Codetapper. And I never said I threw the manual away, anyhow.
Of course the disks are old - they've been with me since the early 90's!

Well, I understand now - the game will never load the 100% version through emulators because of the way the disk was imaged I guess. The 100% edition will only sometimes materialise on a real Amiga. I definitely remember I was able to play the Practice mode and all the levels on the original sometimes.

Oh well, thanks for all your help everyone. Maybe I should try and write Fairlight crack disk 3 to a floppy and use that instead should I want to play it on my real Amiga again. ;)

[Ian]

Maybe you should burn your none working original and just use the Fairlight crack anyway;)

Please lets put this issue to bed now, the problem has been solved after all:cool

PM me if you have any more questions:D

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