Asm Hdf

[bippym]

I'm gonna create a HDF for asm programming..

What progs/utils/guides do you lot wanna see and does anyone fancy helping out?

Also what system am I looking at aiming this at (kick1.0-3.1).

Advice and thoughts appreciated :D

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To Do List


Integrate with ClassicWB (Done)
Sort out the guides/tutorials
Organise the source code
Make all assigns
Set CED up for use with the various assemblers/linkers
Include more utilities/programs
Configure Dopus4 properly to assemble/link etc code
Your suggestions

[Shoonay]

Hmmm... how about 2 of'em?

First, for the old-school-hardcore programming on a A500 with KS1.3 with 512kb... OK, 1mb RAM, and no hd attached... sooo... on a floppy! (5 maybe? ;)). Just to know what the authors of "9 Fingers" and/or "State of the Art" felt ;)

Second, for the best classic Amiga system there is: a standard A1200 (target: unexpanded user) with KS3.0. Well... a few more memory (16mb) and/or 030/50Mhz requirements wouldn't have killed it, but...



...and a third one maybe, for the hi-tech ultra expanded Amiga programmists with PPC and "stuff", and "stuff", and "stuff", and "stuff"... :rolleyes

[Joe Maroni]

don´t miss Asm-Pro...:)

http://home-1.tiscali.nl/~solognt/

and for graphics i think we need the Kefcon IFF Converter...or something similar....:)

[redblade]

asm-kurs.lha on aminet has Kefrens convertor, I think this version is K1.3-K2+ compatible which is good.

I'm more of a AsmOne 1.6 fan that came with asm_course.lha by cool-g. Although it does have it's problems.

[StingRay]

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and for graphics i think we need the Kefcon IFF Converter...or something similar....:)

Kefrens IFF converter was good decades ago, nowadays I wouldn't use it anymore. Better go for artpro or my favourite, PicCon ([URL="http://www.aminet.org/pub/aminet/gfx/conv/PicCon250.lha"]http://www.aminet.org/pub/aminet/gfx/conv/PicCon250.lha). (http://home-1.tiscali.nl/%7Esolognt/)

[Doc Mindie]

AmosPro's BOBeditor :look

on a serious note...I think I read in the AMOSPro manual (way back before it was stolen, go figure) that you can actually use inline assembler in AmosPro? I noticed that you'ld use areg0 areg1 areg2 for the address registers a dreg0 dreg1 and so forth for the data.

however, I've not the faintest idea if it would be of any use for anyone here :/ Though it's pretty easy to make something in AMOS.....compile it andReSource the program afterwards, see if you can find back to your code :P

[bippym]

Right I have started the HDF..

So-far I've installed the following:

Devpac 3.18
ASM-Pro (Whatever last ver is)
Resource

Includes and Autodocs
Some guides

Picasso96
DirOPus4

What else??

Come on guys

[Joe Maroni]

WHDLoad Dev pack...:rolleyes

[bippym]

yeah okay.

It's a bloody pain.. everything I try to install fails :(

To install toolmanager I have to install mui.. mui fails :(

[Joe Maroni]

i remember that the mui 3.8 install script has an installation bug in novice selection, but i´m not sure...

try one of the 2 other ways...:)

[bippym]

I fixed it.. installing from a HDF works fine

[gizmomelb]

from Amiger's enthusiasm: phxass assembler and IRA v1.05 disassembler sound the biz!

[Joe Maroni]

i have many sources if whdload slaves that you can put on the hdf...:rolleyes

if any of the authors give us the permission...

[jotd]

i have many sources if whdload slaves that you can put on the hdf...:rolleyes

if any of the authors give us the permission...

You have mine

[Joe Maroni]

You have mine


i´ve only own them from Mr.Larmer, Bored Seal, Mick (most jst) and Harry...

nothing from you...:sad

[AmiGer]

from Amiger's enthusiasm: phxass assembler and IRA v1.05 disassembler sound the biz!

Ira 1.07 beta is in the zone ! @Bippy, please add it to your collection.
Please also include Phxass (last stable and newest beta) from the PhxAss home page (http://devnull.owl.de/~frank/phxass.html).

[Adderly]

What about an editor (i vote for CygnusEd) and/or an ascii viewer (like View80 or similar)?
And a few good (de)packer/cruncher would be nice too!

[Joe Maroni]

as decruncher maybe "track2file" from mr.larmer...??

[bippym]

Guys atmm .. I am working crazy hours so plwease be pateient :)

[Codetapper]

The ASM pack isn't worth doing unless you add Barfly to it since that is what most of us use to create WHDLoad installers.

[bippym]

Barfly will be added too (If it'll work with winuae)

[CFOU!]

The ASM pack isn't worth doing unless you add Barfly to it since that is what most of us use to create WHDLoad installers.

I use BarFly too (before ASMone)

It's works perfectly on WINUAE

[Galahad/FLT]

I use PHXass

[jotd]

i´ve only own them from Mr.Larmer, Bored Seal, Mick (most jst) and Harry...

nothing from you...:sad

I meant: you have my permission. Well, all my installs come with source code included. However, I realize it's rather tedious to get all the installs and extract the source from them. I can put an archive on the zone, or anywhere else (about 10 MB) if you want.

[bippym]

You can Email it directly to me and I'll put it on the HDF, or whack it in the zone as 2 rars.

[Anubis]

I think that instead of creating new HDF installs and setup, it would be much easier to modify pre-existing setup such as ClassicWB P96.

I was thinking to ask Bloodwich if such a version of ClassicWB is possible.

But anyway, I would like to see this setup too. :)

[thor]

Is this project abandoned or still alive? I'm especially interested in example sources and tutorials.

[Anubis]

Bloodwich said that there is no problem to create this version of ClassicWB. He can help later to setup the script for install.

My original idea was to create something that will be like add-on for CW P96.

BippyM, do you have all stuff that should be installed?

[bippym]

I have a lot of stuff for install and the HDF I started has a lot of stuff on it..

I'll look more into it later when I get back (Gotta go out soon)

[Asman]

i have many sources if whdload slaves that you can put on the hdf...:rolleyes

if any of the authors give us the permission...

My installs (most of them) contain source. status of my sources is public domain, so use them.

[bippym]

Okay I could do with 1 or 2 members (I'd like Bloodwych to be one) to help me with this please..

I'm not the best person in the world when it comes to organising files etc... and I need a programmer or 2 to help with setting up all the software.. please help out please :D

[bippym]

Right lets start again... here are a few questions that I need answering

1). What sort of structure should I adopt
2). What method for launching the guides/tutorials and examples
3). What ASM progs should be included
4). What WB version (3.9? or older)?
5). How fancy should it be.. and should it use Picasso etc?

Lets think about the different compilers and editors first (ASM-One, Devpac, Barfly) should I install them all?
Editors? CED? what? and is someone gonna help me write the arexx scripts please?

[thor]

should I install them all?

I vote for yes.

Editors? CED? what?
CED is good. GoldEd?
and is someone gonna help me write the arexx scripts please?
Unfortunately I haven't done a single line in Arexx

[Doc Mindie]

1). What sort of structure should I adopt
2). What method for launching the guides/tutorials and examples
3). What ASM progs should be included
4). What WB version (3.9? or older)?
5). How fancy should it be.. and should it use Picasso etc?

1: "hide" the normal system icons, and have drawers for "Basic" "Asm" "Docs" etc?
2: Multiview/AmigaGuide
3: AsmOne, BarFly and DevPac... then peepers can choose more orless what they want/need
4: I'd say WB2 upwards..... just for the Picasso-compatibility of that ;)
5: And I want a "nonfancy" thing.. so I can mess it up myself ;)

[bippym]

Right been giving it a little thought!

I think I should have a floating window/doc so guides/tutorials etc can be selected easily..

Another can be used to launch the varying dev progs (Asmone, Devpac) etc..

Any other ideas of how to present it

[musashi5150]

I'd say this HDF is getting too complicated too quickly :)

It will be quite some time until new coders need all these tools... IMHO all you really need right now is:

An assembler + debugger
Includes & Autodocs

A new HDF could always be made later once you guys start getting going. I don't have any clever scripts or anything like that on my real Amiga HD and I've always got along just fine.

The first thing I did when learning to code was to write nice system-killing and system-restore code so I could bash hardware and then bring the OS back. Once I'd done that I spent a good long while playing with copperlists :D

[bippym]

It isn't complicated at all!

The only programs that are on there are:

Diropus 4
Devpac 3
ASMPro
Barfly
Resource 6.06

The rest so-far is made up of guides/manuals and tutorials.. which IMO are important

I also plan to include other useful utils like gfx converters (IFF -> Raw) etc..

[Doc Mindie]

Can we make up a program "make annoying people normal"... "Anno2Norm" or something?

Would be just useful on another forum I'm a member of :lol

[Adderly]

what about including some pdf/amigaguide/txt whatever with books: programmers guide/reference manuals et cetera...

[thor]

I could scan the german books "Amiga Assembler Buch" (general/os programming) and "Amiga Spiele selber programmieren 1+2" (game programming in asm), if there is interest.

[Adderly]

:great I would like to read them, and i'm sure many other (german) coder would be happy too

[bippym]

what about including some pdf/amigaguide/txt whatever with books: programmers guide/reference manuals et cetera...

Find and provide me with such txts/pdfs and I'll include them somewhere :D

[commie1974]

I also plan to include other useful utils like gfx converters (IFF -> Raw) etc..

Please don't forget to include a good HEX/ASCII editor, A Memory peeker, perhaps a track/block editor and last, but not least the almighty ROSSIMON!! BTW, this project is a fine idea, I wish I had time to join an IRC chat with you :)

[bippym]

I need someone to help with the building of the HDF.. Right now it is a sort of mish-mash of programs with no real structure or setup..

/me thinks it is time to get Bloodwych involved ;)

[Ray Norrish]

Bippy, you don`t need a whole crock of shit.. stick to the basics.

You need a good iff converter (until you write your own :)) - as long as it can do ILBM as well
Rossi2 monitor
dpaint
devpac
Your favourite ST (mine was hearttracker)
audiomaster
CrunchMania
shit.. everything you need right there :)

[HCF]

Seka Assembler (of course)
IFF Documentation
Bytekiller or Tetrapack
Delta Text (think that's what it was called)
Discovery/Project D (disk editor)
Some disassembler (forgot the names)
Amiga Monitor
Sound Tracker Player Sources
SoundFX (for those not liking ST)
Amiga BASIC (for those quick programs to create data)
Disksalv (in case of problems)
Aztec C compiler

[bippym]

Cheers guys :D

It's more the guides/manuals and source that needs setting up.. some good progs there i'll also be looking at :D

[Bloodwych]

Bippy has given me a copy of the basic HDF image and I can integrate it into one of the classicwb packs. You guys just have to decide which one - LITE, FULL, ADV, ADV-SP or P96.

If it's for use on a real Amiga, the non-P96 ones are the obvious choice with the LITE having the least features but smallest memory footprint.

The FULL hardly uses any chipram either as long as you have fastram but boasts more features due to Scalos.

The P96 has the advantage of outright speed (no custom chips slowing emulation down), great chipram and resolution but can't be installed on many real Amiga's.

If you choose a pack, I'll copy across Bippy's install, tidy up and make the programs available for easy access.

As already mentioned, I'm not really interested in using this HDF myself so I won't be constantly maintaining it like the other packages - that will come down to you guys. I am willing to help get it off the ground by integrating it into one of the classicwbs. The good news is the classicwb is extremely accessible, so updating it is fairly easy from the tools menu in the top left hand corner.

[bippym]

Well personally I think picasso but without the picasso screenmodes selected.

The reason being.. Amiga display stuff wont work properly with picasso running.

Or the ADV-SP or similar as it is always an idea to have a good machine for dev work :D

Remember that the HDF is not complete, so once you have integrated it I'll add the rest of the software and more sources/tutorials and books etc :D

[sniperchaz]

I'm gonna create a HDF for asm programming..

Did you ever complete the HDF for ASM bippym, if you did was it just incorperated into classic workbench, or have you got it as a standalone. If you have completed it where can i find a copy, as it would be ideal for me to run off my laptop, or just bang it to my 1200s harddrive. As you may know i would love to try and learn coding, and a package like that would be ideal. :great Thx in advance

[bippym]

I have a semi complete version that is incorporated into classicwb :)

will get it finished when I get 10 mins

[Ultron]

nice idea

[sniperchaz]

nice one ill look forward to the completed version hopefully if i manage to get my coding upto speed lol ill try to contribute LMHO

[steve_m]

Hi, did this asm environment get finished? I'm new to this board/ new to amiga emulation and programming.... would love to learn asm on a classic amiga. I bought the rom kernel manuals years ago, but never got round to using them.... this would be the perfect excuse to get into them ;)

Cheers
Steve

[Zetr0]

Heys O-Master Bipstah',

Did you get the ARKRG (Amiga Rom Kernal Reference Guide / Manual) put on the HDF ?

[bippym]

Heys O-Master Bipstah',

Did you get the ARKRG (Amiga Rom Kernal Reference Guide / Manual) put on the HDF ?

Yes indeedy (I think)

[killergorilla]

Is there anywhere to find that?

[bippym]

the hdf?

[Zetr0]

I quickly rescanned this thread, I didn`t notice Gadtools, did i miss this or is not going to be included?

[killergorilla]

No the Kernel Reference Manual?

[Zetr0]

@KG

its must be the crack m8, what do you mean "No the reference manual" ?

[Joe Maroni]

he means the Rom Kernel Reference...not the HDF ;)

[Zetr0]

what about the crack..... and errr the gadtools?

[Dooly]

No the Kernel Reference Manual?Here: http://project64.c64.org/hw/amiga.htm

[bippym]

I have a semi-working hdf ready, pm me if wanted

[killergorilla]

@KG

its must be the crack m8, what do you mean "No the reference manual" ?

See below: :D

Is there anywhere to find that?

the hdf?

No the Kernel Reference Manual?

he means the Rom Kernel Reference...not the HDF

Here: http://project64.c64.org/hw/amiga.htm

And all becomes clear!

Cheers Dooly, much appreciated :)

[Marcuz]

lol you spend way too much time on IRC :)

[bippym]

Right i've decided to do a little bit of work on this.. updated my first post with a list of stuff to do, change, add, remove etc..

Anyway I still need some ideas and feedback for those that already have the pre-release ;)

[Zetr0]

its a shame that we cannot distro storm C as well bippstah! :(

[bippym]

I can put anythjing requested on ;)

[Zetr0]

LOL, and theres me frantically writting an email you H&P

[bippym]

heheh

I said I can i didn't say I would :p

[kamelito]

is this Asm HDF dead or was it released?

[bippym]

I have a version on my HD..

I never actually got it finished but I can perhaps up it to the FTP server

[zenox98]

Only just noticed this and it sounds really good and useful, especially the slave sources. Is it in a usuable state?

Thanks

[bippym]

I have upped early verisions of the standard and P96 versions to the FTP..

[kamelito]

thx downloading

[TheCyberDruid]

Moved to 'Doc/App_Hardware'.

[bippym]

I just tried booting the normal one and it wont boot so maybe needs mounting as a second partition.

I have not looked at these in aeons so my apologies if they are not up to much cop!

[thor]

Did a quick test, it does run here but the HDF is virus infected.

[bippym]

With what?

[thor]

Ebola (tested with VirusZ and VT). According to this (http://www.vht-dk.dk/amiga/desc/txt/ebola.htm) it's one that doesn't really damage anything, but as any virus shouldn't be spread.

[bippym]

Okay I have checked with Virusz and it finds the virus in memory, but a full file check finds nothing :/

[zenox98]

Thanks bibbym

Is it safe to grab now, then?

[thor]

Okay I have checked with Virusz and it finds the virus in memory, but a full file check finds nothing :/
Did you mark all files in the file requester (there's a button "All"), so these get checked? Have you xvs.library installed for VirusZ? Both VT and VirusZ found it in plenty of files here.

[bippym]

I did all the above and have installed all files and libraries. Will look again later.

thor can you upload your version of VirusZ. VT I only have in German and I am English..

My VirusZ is 3 1.02

[thor]

I have the same version and I did download all from Aminet. Then I've put all in a folder which I used as DH1 in WinUAE and the HDF as DH0. Did a 'assign libs: DH1:xvs/libs ADD'. Afterwards I did run VirusZ without installing and it found Ebola in both memory and files (as the virus can't be in memory only).

[bippym]

Right sorted it.. I wasn't using the program properly.. Can someone delete the ASM HDF's and I'll up clean ones later once I have removed all virii from ALL my HDF's and hard-drives

Thanks guys

[TheCyberDruid]

Both deleted.

[bippym]

Uploading now ladies

[TheCyberDruid]

...and moved (again) ;)

[kamelito]

I don't see any Doc folder

[TheCyberDruid]

It's not on the upload FTP anymore. Use the normal file server interface.

[kamelito]

thx

[zenox98]

Hell's teeth!

I feel really, really stupid asking this, but it's driving me nuts:banghead

I'm trying to access either of these hdf files whilst within Workbench 3 - press F12 and trying to add the hardfile - but it guru's every time.

Would any kind soul let me know what settings I need to put into the Hardfile requester. As an example, I've tried
Path=<path of .hdf>
Device=DH2
Filesys = left blank(?)

Thanks

[bippym]

I had the same issues, so I wouldn't worry too much.

Simply boot with your standard setup and see if it reads okay. I'll look into the booting problem tomorrow!

Edit: Go into the startup-sequence and remove the MCP line. It is causing the crash

[souls]

Pardon my ignorance, but where can i download this HDF?
@thor, did you ever scan the books you mentioned? I'd be very interested!

thanks

[thor]

AFAIR I scanned a few pages from the games programming books as a test, but since the pages were quite thin you could see the text from the other side of the page through it, so it didn't look nice.

[souls]

AFAIR I scanned a few pages from the games programming books as a test, but since the pages were quite thin you could see the text from the other side of the page through it, so it didn't look nice.

oh, ok. too bad :(

[Yesideez]

What's the status of this little project at now?

I'd love to have a play with this, here's a small list of the tools I used:

TrackDOS (ftp://flatdisk.back2roots.org/pub/back2roots/cds/fred_fish/goldfish_vol1_9404_cd2/d6xx/d620/trackdos/trackdos.doc) by Nic Wilson (I fixed the interface to look nice with KS2+ and released as TrackDOS ][)
NewZAP (http://flashtro.com/cr/faery/newzap.png) (Awesome hex file editor, again, I fixed this to look nice on KS2+)
The Programmer's AGA Lab (http://bitworld.bitfellas.org/demo.php?id=29102) (Best graphic to source converter I found available)

I still have my fixed versions of TrackDOS and NewZAP if you want them - KS1.3 tools on a KS2+ machine looked awful. I fixed them because I used them a LOT :)

I also used DevPac, CygnusEd, ToolsDaemon (to launch stuff including DOS Shell windows), PowerPacker, CrM, KingCON, ReSource, Personal Paint (to design GUI interfaces) and if there are any others I've forgotten them.

[zenox98]

The hdf file is still available on the eab ftp under Commodore_Amiga/Doc/App_Hardware/Programming Hardware call 'asm programming hdf.rar', if you want to check it out.

[Yesideez]

Great stuff!

only problem is, I've not idea where the FTP is!

[whitegiant89]

Hello there,

Web based File Server (eab.whdownload.com) is shutdown.

And, our FTP is officially online, again.

Code:

Server: ftp.magix.ws

Regular Account
Username: ftp[at]magix.ws
Password: ftp[at]magix.ws

Uploader Account
Username: eabftp[at]magix.ws
Password: Upl0ad3r

Port: 21

Please, replace [at] with @

Web Browser friendly link: ftp://ftp@magix.ws:ftp@magix.ws@ftp.magix.ws

If you do not know what FTP is: http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Ftp

If you are looking for a free FTP Software: http://filezilla-project.org

[Yesideez]

Thanks for all that info - realy is appreciated but I've been through loads of folders and can't locate the HDF file :(

[Arnie]

The hdf file is still available on the eab ftp under Commodore_Amiga/Doc/App_Hardware/Programming Hardware call 'asm programming hdf.rar', if you want to check it out.

Try this

[Yesideez]

Got it, thanks!

I would never have thought of looking in the Docs folder for a data file containing apps!