ClassicWB Feedback & Guestbook

[Bloodwych]

Please feel free to leave your comments and suggestions here, good or bad!

For support relating to ClassicWB problems or other issues, please start a new thread in the "project.ClassicWB" (http://eab.abime.net/forumdisplay.php?f=61) forum.

Thanks. :)

[EmuChicken]

Excellent project! ClassicWB hasnt let me down yet ;-)

Everything I need in an OS from the start- no more of this tinkering around downloading EVERY program and then having problems installing it- yatta!

Will the next one have a C64 emulator preinstalled? - - with donald duck and pitstop 2? :-D

[Bloodwych]

LOL! Yeah, emulators are one of the few things it's missing but the packs are already huge. Pitstop 2 ok, but the DDster? :confused Never played it so I wouldn't know!

[Mrukk]

Hey Bloodwych,

I just installed your ClassicWB last night, and it worked perfectly and saved me a bunch of time. Thanks a ton!

Cheers! :bowdown

[Marcuz]

hey if there's a guestbook i wanna be in :) your work is really great Bw, i use it as my main workbench most of the time, thanks mate! suggestions? i can point some progs i used back then, and keep in mind that being not hard to install and configure maybe they are better to be dl from aminet from ppl interested, not to fat the package. but apart of that...

anyway,
Hex of Nicola Salmoria,
view80
mymenu (a menu adder if someone don't like the floating menu)

not really a must, i add them everywhere tough :cheese

[killergorilla]

Well, well, well Bloodwych,

I've just got around to installing the latest classicwb. It was a piece of piss!

I love the new features man, Dopus is much nicer now it's got that little scroll bar. Although PC: shows up all the time even though I have no PC: drive.

I thought the old classicwb was superb, now it's almost damn perfect, cheers man. Much, much appreciated.

[Bloodwych]

Wow, no comments in the lonely guestbook then loads come along at once - thanks guys!

Mrukk - welcome to EAB. :)

Marco, I'm always looking for things to add so I'll check those out when the next release cycle kicks in.

KillerG - you need to go to "Project->Configure" from the dopus menu and set up things yourself as it doesn't auto detect. I use the PC option for two things - when I add a PC directory in winuae or when I mount a network like "Ami->PC" on a real Amiga. In both cases the device is called "PC:", which also automatically causes the ClassicWB to give it a nice workbench disk icon. Thanks for mentioning that - I'll put it in the tips & FAQ.

Remember the main benefit of Dopus 4.16 - you can open all archives just like directories as a alternative to using a separate archive program.

[Doc Mindie]

Heya :D

I'm using ClassicWB on one of my UAE-configs . . . I've never used AROS before, so I'm a bit uncomfortable with THAT part still.

Otherwise . . . I've been thinking of setting up a small partition on my A1200 to boot it from (sorta "dual-boot" from the pre-whatever-menu :P) and play with Shapeshifter and the like on there.

I must say, that apart from using that 7z-packing, (which made me SIGH for a long while) I'm quite happy with it :D I DID repack it to LHA, though, just for the fun of transferring it to the A1200 ;)

[Bloodwych]

No more 7-zip Doc - the packages are now RAR.

When you repack it for transferring to the Amiga using LHA format rather than zip as specified in the instructions, make sure you use the option to include empty directories. ;) By default, LHA doesn't include them.

[gambit_006]

Cheers Bloodwych damn good and quick install. I use it on my 1200. It has everything I need and probaby more when I need it. Love it most for it ease of use because I havn't used workbench for many years and is good for beginers and advanced users alike. Great work. Final note small install ... leaves al that space for GAMES!!!!. Yeah

[Bloodwych]

Thanks for the kind words Gambit. Yes, I try and make them as easy to use as possible.

[Doc Mindie]

I've got another thought . . . about the "ease of use thing" . . . for real Amiga-users, wouldn't it be better without that lightdamn HDF-file?

[Bloodwych]

Doc, I'm afraid I feel the HDF file is the best way to go:

There is a reason for the HDF – it actually allows the size of each download pack to be reduced significantly and being on a 33K upload convinced me that’s the way to go.

One big advantage of the ClassicWB being on a HDF is you can use an emulator to customize it before transferring to a real Amiga.

Also, I’ve had people complain the "zip only" method is too much work to install in UAE. Many people have Windows XP and actually hook up their real Amiga hard disk to the PC and copy the HDF contents over using an emulator.

With this in mind, I feel this really is the best balance and allows you to have a complete Workbench (files from WB disk copied over) once you’ve booted the HDF once. Very similar to AIAB.

As for those who still use the zip method - it’s very easy to create the zip file in an emulator and saves me doing it my end which, for several packs, can take forever. A config and full instructions are provided. The install disk still present. Now the install disk doesn’t ask for the Workbench disk Amiga side because it’s been done in an emulator first.

[EmuChicken]

note- the only way to install now using an amiga is probably by using winUAE.... damnit! ... and a 2.5 > 3.5 hard drive converter... or have lots of problems like me with zipping the bloody drive!

I still think its a bad way to go bloodwych, much less problems with the installations before... sad but true

[Bloodwych]

EmuC, I'll gladly help you or anyone else with any issues you are having. After all, you were kind enough to help me. :)

I'm still failing to see the difficulty here. In my opinion it's actually easier and more beneficial method for all concerned - for those using the zip method fully outlined in the instructions, you get to finalise and customise the workbench PC/Mac/whatever side before creating the zip file.

Plus you are only asked for the workbench disk once and that's it - you have a complete workbench to do with as you please. Is it really much to ask the end user to zip them up themselves - a 5 minute job?

I mean, installation as KillerG said above is "a piece of piss", although he did use the Windows XP method. Creating the zip is just a normal means of creating an archive from within the ClassicWB (running in UAE):

Creating "System.zip" in WinUAE

Add the "System.hdf" file provided to the hard drives tab.
Add a PC directory to the Hard Drives tab. You can call this whatever you wish, however using "PC" for either the device or volume name will produce a nice Workbench icon shown in the pictures.
Boot the ClassicWB and load "Dopus" from the popup menu.
Select "DH0" for one window and the "PC" directory added in 1) for the second window.
Highlight all the ClassicWB files on "DH0" and click the "ZIP" button.
When asked to enter an archive name, type "System".
Hit return and wait for the archive to be finalized (may take a while).


Test the archive's integrity either in Dopus or Windows.

That's it. Job done. If you're still having issues create a new thread in the ClassicWB forum and I'll try and help further. :)

[EmuChicken]

You've no idea how long I've been trying to zip the file up... I keep getting it done, then it doesnt work in the amiga, (I tried zipping in dopus before but it kept dissapearing!) ... bloodyyy pc emulation! And I've tried other zippy pc tools which I managed to extract on the miggy, and then it doesnt even start up...

in the end I got a 2.5 > 3.5 converter, so I can see the ups for hdf / whatever, but for the average amiga user, I find it a lot more of a hassle to get over than the zip file, this install with the hdf is more for a winuae nut :-p

[Bloodwych]

I guess you're right in that I'm assuming UAE familiarity.

I'll try and address this in the future EmuC as you're not the only one who's mentioned this. Problem is, when it was a zip I got complaints from others so I can't win. I think a picture based instruction manual will be better too.

Anyway, once I have broadband, I'll provide both types of files. :D

[EmuChicken]

;-) Aye!

I've got it all working now, Classicwb is looking better than ever! :-D too bad about this snag :-(

[paul_r_t]

Just tried out ClassicWB on WinUAE and was very very impressed! I am going to install the package on my Amiga 4000 and get rid of AmigaOS 3.9 once and for all, I have never been that impressed with it. It was also nice to see Directory Opus 4 as part of the package (the best Amiga program ever) configured for virtually every archive type :great

Keep up the good work your doing a fantastic job :bowdown

[Doc Mindie]

Ahh, Okays, Blood.

Now, I downloaded the ADV-pack, to use on WinUAE . . . (this was about 14 days ago) I thought it said the ADV-pack was set up with P96? well, I couldn't find it anywhere, so . . . I downloaded and installed it meself

Would there be any reason not to just include the package (not necessarily install it) on the "lighter" versions of Classic?

[killergorilla]

Ahh, Okays, Blood.

Now, I downloaded the ADV-pack, to use on WinUAE . . . (this was about 14 days ago) I thought it said the ADV-pack was set up with P96? well, I couldn't find it anywhere, so . . . I downloaded and installed it meself

Would there be any reason not to just include the package (not necessarily install it) on the "lighter" versions of Classic?

Bloodwych will probably put in better words, but what's the point?

The ClassicWB packs are for installation on a real amiga and P96 is not going to be needed at all. Bloodwych strives to keep the packs as simple and SMALL as possible while keeping as many superb features/functions as possible, there's simply no need for P96 on the packs designed for standard amigas.

[Bloodwych]

Thanks for the comments paul rt. :)

Doc, going with the real amiga packs, no P96 is definitely for the reasons KillerGorilla has kindly stated above – including it would increase the pack size significantly and very few people have use for it on real Amigas. Those that do can install it themselves.

However, I think you’ve got the wrong impression of where P96 is mentioned in the forums and webpage. The P96 files only come pre-installed with the P96 version (http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=13283) of the ClassicWB, which is specially designed for emulators such as UAE.

Hope this clears things up. :)

[Marcuz]

i suggest to add a line with the date of the package on the site and/or a number version; i'm downloading right now the the classic-full to update my setting, but i'm not really sure that it is newer than the one i have. (i want to reinstall it anyway)

[Conny25]

This is great!Everything in this config is so nicely done,I'm impressed!
It surely needed a lot of effort to be done...
Thank you SO much -Bloodwych- for this excellent release!
Keep it up!:great

[Bloodwych]

Marco: under the pack download links is a link that says "Important information and UPDATE STATUS" ;) Click it and then be amazed as it whisks you away to the ClassicWB forum where full update details are disclosed. :lol

Conny25, thanks for the comments. :)

[rare_j]

Just a quick message to say I really like this set up. My Amiga has never worked better. Thanks

[Methanoid]

Just downloaded and spent about 5 mins playing. God it is good to see an Amiga workbench again!!!

Few things I did and didnt like

Likes:

Copper Background
Dopus pre-installed
All configured

Dislikes:

WTF is that Scalos doing in there?
Irritating but necessary (insert WB3 disk) but easy with WinUAE

What I would like though is to know HOW it is made. Perhaps be able to use that to do my own version. Your configs are nice but not what I would necessarily choose. A "creation guide" would enable me to do my own easily (say Install WB3, Add MUI, Add Dopus etc"

I suspect my personal config will be mainly a P96 one (cos 1280*1024 looks nice) where I can set up a WB-friendly BBS linked via telnet to the realworld!

a ste

[Bloodwych]

Thanks for the comments rare_j and Methanoid. :)

A few answers:

A P96 version of the classic workbench already exists. Links on the main page or this forum. Or here! (http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=13283)

The workbench disk is necessary (as you mentioned) for copyright reasons and only a one time operation. After that you have a complete setup that can be copied to your hearts content.

What do you have against Scalos? – it has no drawbacks apart from perhaps Fblit issues. Scalos is an absolute necessary addition in my opinion and adds so many cool features, too many to list! See their Homepage (http://scalos.noname.fr/). Nice draggable/ghosted icons, smooth scrolling window contents, new powerful system requesters, new prefs, better colour/palette control, fully configurable double click icon support, powerful multi right click menu system, new functions such as sort drawers/files alphabetically, no performance hit, very stable and compatible….the list goes on! In fact, a ScalosWB has LESS issues than one built with several third party programs that when combined offer SOME of these functions.

If you decide to make your own setup it can be a long road to get it up to high standards, but very enjoyable. I suggest starting by reading EAB FAQ (http://eab.abime.net/faq.php?faq=amiga_faq#faq_wb_hd_setup) and green alien guide. (http://guide.abime.net/). Look at the pre-installed workbenches linked there and decide what you want to use for your own setup. After that, Aminet (http://uk.aminet.net/aminet/) is your best friend.

[Marcuz]

hey nice new package you have built, i want to try it even if i've already my fav ClassicWB setup, yours docs are still between the best ones.

[Marcuz]

as i've seen your last update, i would like to suggest a little redo of the colour scheme for the next version, so to make it stand out as unmistakebly new. something like the step from the blue WB 1.3 to the grey WB 2.0; one of the thing i like the most in Bloodwych Classic WB is the fact that as you see it loaded, you feel confident, it looks solid, it borrows the easyness of the original Workbench. so any change shouldn't be radical, it shouldn't appear as a badly themed version of Windows for instance. something subtle.

[Bloodwych]

Thanks for the suggestion Marco. I guess I could add options in the install procedure and let the user choose a particular theme. Do you have any colours in mind? Or post a pic of a theme you use? And are you referring to the real amiga packs (LITE, FULL, ADV, ADVSP), the P96 or all of them?

By the way, I've just re-uploaded the UAE/P96 packs as I didn't realize UAE complains if the RTG.library isn't replaced with the emulator friendly one.

[Marcuz]

only lite and full; the others two are already no more really classic, and they are apt to be customized by the user.
the install procedure is a nice touch, and there would be the need of some screenshot in the package to show the user how it would look the installed workbench.
if you want to push it further, there could be the choice between a bunch of them, like three dominant colours. there was a thread around with original workbench settlements; i remember the A600 with dominant green of Paul the Green Amiga Alien and a reddish-pink one by Akira. something like that.
my personal custom Workbench disk was not shockingly different, i had a very light grey as background, black and light pale green for the stuff around and some grey. the pointer was a rendition of Bullfrog' games one.

[Marcuz]

Bloodwych, can you please add a suffix to the downloads packs with the version? or, even better, the version number on the site, under the icons? and on the drop menu somewhere in the Workbench? i mean on the Workbench maybe it's better to wait for the next update... :spin

[Peter]

I've just starting using Classic Workbench - I went through the process of creating the zip file via UAE and then installing it to my real Amiga - when there are updates is it the case that the whole process has to be repeated?

Or is there an update patch that can be applied over the installation - which would be an easier process. I have started to install my own bits and bobs and dont want to overwrite all the things I add to the original installation.

Sorry if this is a question that comes up a bit... Classic Workbench is great BTW...

[Bloodwych]

marco, I don't want to add version numbers to the files names but I could place something on the webpage and on the drop down menus I suppose. I know you've mentioned this before and I referred to the "Information and Update Status" link on the download page. This whisks you away to a thread notifying users of update details, which I suggest people subscribe to.

Peter, people have suggested this before but it's just too much work and has the potential to cause problems.

I'd have to keep track of all the little updates and changes I make to all 6 packs, then copy across all the files that I've changed to an update zip. When people apply the update, it might overwrite some of their own personal settings and prevent programs they have installed from working properly.

You can make a quick update pack that simply overwrites the main files but has all the large files removed. Download and run in WinUAE as normal, then delete all the programs (except dopus) you already have in your current installation and perhaps the icons and wbgames drawer as well. Zip up what remains and run the installation over the top of your current workbench. Then use reorg or some disk defrag utility tidy up. If you've installed anything extra that has written to the startup-sequence files you may need to re-install and you'll lose customized settings (they will return to default).

I’ll move these posts to the feedback thread. ;)

[Marcuz]

marco, I don't want to add version numbers to the files names but I could place something on the webpage and on the drop down menus I suppose. I know you've mentioned this before and I referred to the "Information and Update Status" link on the download page. This whisks you away to a thread notifying users of update details, which I suggest people subscribe to.
sorry mate, i forgot about having already pleaded for it :) still the thread to which the "important info etc." bit points to, it only describes the new updates and the date of them, but you got no contest to that information as you don't know which release version you are using if you have not specifically kept track of them. that's why i guess the number release in a "about" in the Workbench drop menu and on the site would be perfect.

why it is needed besides the reason i say? well because Bloodwych ClassicWB is a so stable platform as main all purposes workbench (you can type documents in amiga exact formats as i do with the EOB translation; you can use it as a perfect WHDload base; you can use it for base for your paint and music programs, as, again, i do), i say, it is so that you end up for little touch of customization and personalization, the most important of which are those that requires work on the installation and dependencies, on the startup and user startup sequences and, hell why not? on the icons too. if ClassicWB gets updated, all that work needs to be redone, so you got to have all the facts to decide if it's the case or it is maybe better to wait for next release.

of course you can update every bit of what you have yourself, without changing the whole pack, but then, why to use an already done package as ClassicWB is?

[Marcuz]

here you go with 2 pics to support what i'm saying. I've long stopped heavy customizations, since when i converted the whole Gant icon suite for it only to break then the HDF which hosted the picasso version of ClassicWB, but 20% of what there is in it now comes from out of the package, considering also libs, devs, fonts, Whdload and its key, programs etc.

[Bloodwych]

I see what you’re saying marco and I’m happy you’re finding the ClassicWB so useful :)

I’ll add version number information as you’ve requested to the tools drop down menu in the top left hand corner of the screen. Shouldn’t take long, but I may not upload the new files until after xmas depending on when my connection is free.

[Anubis]

Any chance to add one spreadsheet program? (something like calc)

[Anubis]

One more thing. :)

Can you add P96 ClassicWB to the same download place as the rest of them. :) It was painful to download it first time. :D

[Bloodwych]

Hi Anubis; thanks for a little feedback. :great

Only two spreadsheet programs I'm aware of are FinalCalc and Turbocalc, but it's better if the user installs them because:

a) They have to decide if an FPU is present in order to select an optimum version during install.

b) Very few people would need a spreadsheet in the base pack.

I like to keep the base software pack to the bare essentials that everyone would like installed as a starting point. Then you're free to add to it as you want (as marco has).

I am however going to add the open source browser AWeb. The the current HTML viewer has problems with modern pages (like the WHDload docs). This means as a side effect the P96 versions will gain web-browsing capability through the bsdsocket library in WinUAE. I'll probably add a TCP/IP stack as an optional install package too for those who want to have networking available on their real Amigas.

Those download links for the P96 and UAE versions are meant to be a bit harder to reach due to their size. Plus, they're not really part of the ClassicWB project - I made them because others kept downloading the packs and tried to install P96 straight away! I have to admit, with AIAB, AmiSYS and Amikit I never thought people would want a P96 ClassicWB.

I may make them a more integral part of the main page though after what you've said; depends on how much free time I get this week. ;)

[Marcuz]

i'm going to ask you later for a way for a complete and painless way to move/copy all the personalization stuff from one to the next release. but while i'm waiting, i just have an idea: why not to make all the program whdload based? provided that someone write the installs? so they could be moved infinitely

[Bloodwych]

To be quite honest marco there wasn't a really painless way to update major changes as mentioned before to peter; not with my limited free time and average install script writing ability anyway.

To tell you the truth it should no longer pose a problem to anyone very soon. I've considered this for a long time and decided the next release is going to be the final version in terms of major changes.

The only future updates will be those programs still actively developed for Workbench 3.0/1 which are WHDload and SFS. These are easy to install incrementally, so will come in the form of an update pack which can be applied easily (I'll add an update option to the tools menu).

Why? Well, most new software is designed for OS3.5+ so there is nothing major to update or change. The FBlit/Ftext and pure workbench boot were really the last major things I had in mind for the ClassicWB which has been updated for over 5 years!

I don't think there will ever be a new non-beta Scalos release as development, testing and interest is very low (and seems targeted at OS 3.5+ now). I've now put in place everything I possibly want, with the exception of OS3.5/PNG icon support which is really slow and pointless on most classic machines anyway - newicons are fine for that.

So fear no longer - the next packs will be the final versions that require a major re-install. :)

[Marcuz]

that's fair my friend, after all ClassicWB is already state of the art, if you ask me :)

[PeterK]

I've now put in place everything I possibly want, with the exception of OS3.5/PNG icon support which is really slow and pointless on most classic machines anyway - newicons are fine for that....

Did you try out IconBeFast and PowerIcons already to speedup GlowIcons?

[Bloodwych]

Hi Peter - both those programs require OS3.5+

The beta Scalos does have support for PNG, so I'll look at what I can do. ;)

[PeterK]

Hi Peter - both those programs require OS3.5+

The beta Scalos does have support for PNG, so I'll look at what I can do. ;)

Yes, of course, IconBeFast v2 needs the icon.library v44+ of OS 3.5+ and
Scalos won't make use of the icon.library anyway, because it has its own
icon datatype system. But, you can still try out IconBeFast v1.16, which
is a patch for the graphics.library OptainBestPenA() function and which is
used even under Scalos for some color mappings. I don't want to promise
now that you will gain much speed with IconBeFast v1.16, because I've
never tested such a configuration with OS 3.1 and Scalos, but IconBeFast
at least shouldn't cause any conflicts in combination with Scalos as I hope.

[retrogamer]

Is it posibole to add the newest update of Dir Opus to the new version of Classic WB?

http://aminet.net/package/biz/dopus/DirectoryOpus418

[Anubis]

Is it posibole to add the newest update of Dir Opus to the new version of Classic WB?

http://aminet.net/package/biz/dopus/DirectoryOpus418

If I remember correctly that one require FPU to run.

[Bloodwych]

Anubis is partly right - that version of dopus is PPC only and for OS4.

There was a 4.17b (beta) version of dopus, but I'd rather stay with the stable 4.16 release. Shame really as 4.17 had some nice new features, but development stopped back in 2004.

[Peter]

RE: The announcement of the latest and last version of Classic Workbench...

I just wanted to say a big thanks to Bloodwych for all the hard work that he has put into this project - I have only been using Classic Workbench for a short time but I think it is excellent and it has really got me back into the Amiga scene - I'm really enjoying using the A1200 again even though it cant be compared with modern machines...

Thanks again, Peter

[killergorilla]

Well said,

Bloodwych has done a fantastic job with these packs, and I really wouldn't be using my Amiga half as much without ClassicWB.

You've done an awesome job and I'd have been more than happy with the current pack I've got installed on my A1200. To know we have your continued support (and minor updates) is superb :)

KUDOS to ya sir.

[Marcuz]

new versions are PREFECT! i've tryed both the UAE big package and the normal FULL version.
only thing i did not personally liked is the way the PC directories are shared in the new big pack (too complex for the purpose) , so simply i've modifyed. but all is stable, updated and good. thumbs up! :)

[Bloodwych]

Hey thanks guys! :great

It’s been a pleasure. I get much more out of EAB than I put in due to you lot contributing so many great things into the community. Just glad to be part of it.

The good news is that now I’m not working on the ClassicWB anymore, I can use more of my Amiga spare time to help others or contribute to other projects.

I’ve re-uploaded the main packs today BUT only because I forgot to defrag the images. Calling something final always puts the mockers on perfection, but hey, all I lost was some upload time. No content has changed at all so version numbers have not been altered, but I thought I’d let you know in case you want to re-download the optimised packs for your collections.

Marco, glad the final packs are fine for you (so far). Have you started adding your “stuff” yet?

The UAE version has the shared PC directory for games/demos etc for two reasons:


It doesn’t run out of space, so you can install as much as you want and easily manipulate/archive the collection in Windows.

If a game doesn’t work in one Workbench/config, you just boot up another and try it in that without having to have the games/demos installed in several different places.


Everyone has different tastes though. I like using shared PC directories as I often dump WHDload games in Windows (I know KG, bad habit), but others like yourself may prefer a different approach which is fine. That UAE pack is just an example of what is possible in WinUAE for beginners (and a bit of a showcase for all the ClassicWB’s), but not a final solution for everyone.

[Marcuz]

Bloodwych, i know what you mean about the mounted directories, i just think that the way they are used in the big UAE pack is too complicated respect the way i have always used: 1 main HDF, 1 HD-dir for games, 1 for storage. me too i have a bunch of setups, one for ClassicWB Full (the main one) 1 for the p96 version, 3 Workbenches (1.3, 3.1, 3.9) and AmigaSys: they all share the same two additional directories: HD-Games and Storage.
so if i need to test some game on a different setup, or to move files, dependencies etc, here i go.
however, i've finished of adding the usual programs and done some work on the preferencies. this last update is, as i said, great :)

[Bloodwych]

Cool, like I said everyone has their own tastes. :) I always access everything from the popup menu and don't really need the separate HD-dir's. That reminds me - remember to update your popup menu drawers (if you haven't already) in the s\user-startup so they point to the correct place for your files. ;)

Anyway marco, who's the girl in the second screencap? I want to see her not all the program drawers! Although it could be your wife in which case I'll shut my mouth now! LOL! :lol

[Peter]

Certainly looks a bit more interesting than the "Marble Dark" backdrop I have...

[cybernoid]

Hi from Portugal.
I bought recently a 4000 040 16mg fast 6gb (my christmas auto-present)
I had lots of troubles with os3.9, 1st because i still want to use my
old commodore 1084s and 2nd because of the chip ram was a bit low...
So i try ClassicWB Full
And It's GREAT!!! IT'S FAST, NICE LOOKING, NO MEMORY EATER (I can play
Replic demo with no problems)...
MANY MANY TKS.
Just one thing: If you gonna do some changes, please do them with the update thing you have on expansion, or something like that.
I'm installing some software and my mods, etc so it will be a mess to have to format this wonderfull thing.
This workbench deserves to be keep developed... at any cost :)

I think this is the real final workbench. I will buy an ethernet card to have aweb working.

Sincerelly Tks.

(Registered WHDLoad User)

[Bloodwych]

Hi Cybernoid, thanks for the story - glad the workbench works well for you.

Yes, all future updates will be through small zip packs that can be placed in the Expansion->Update drawer so you won't have to do a fresh install again.

[Tyball]

I just installed ClassicWB ADvanced on my Amiga 500 and it rocks! Maybe a bit slow on the 030-40 compared to WB3.1, but I guess a little tweaking may speed it up bit. I currently have 1MB chip-memory, but as I'm slowly maxing out my configuration, I'm planning on getting a mini-megachip at one time.

Anyway, just wanted to say: Thanks for all the hard work! :bowdown

[coze]

With Advanced on an A500, you should turn off fblit as the first thing to do.

[k2uphill]

Yes Classic WB is a brilliant Project. I use the Classic WB Full for my own use in WinUAE and on my Real box Amiga. not only is this brilliant it save me a hell of a lot of time from Downloading Apps from Aminet and re-installing them all over agian. All Tools are Here well most of them are.

i thank the Bloodwych for Classic WB, Keep it Up :great

[killergorilla]

Bloodwych, any chance you could move the "Shell" menu item to the same place as "Dopus" when you next tinker with it (if ever).

It's ok when clicking on a directory but not when right-clicking on the workbench or in a blank window.

[Bloodwych]

Tyball, brave man installing it on an A500! I'm not sure if you'll get any issues due to the older chipset but I guess there is no harm trying.

As Coze said, fblit is enabled by default so you could try disabling it via the tools menu (top left of the screen) if you are experiencing problems.

k2uphill, thanks for the support.

KillerG, I guess that could be moved - don't want to make the default menu too big but I'll have a look for the first update pack. In the mean time, you can change and customize all popup menus very easily via the tools menu by selecting "Scalos->Menus".

[allen]

Hello. Im a longtime Commodore user, vic20, c64, c128, but not Amiga. This ClassicWB UAE looks nice but I cannot get it to work. I DL the UAE package since I dont have a real mig. I have a valid kick3.0 rom (I beleive since UAE accepts it, but not 3.1 that UAE likes) and a valid (I believe Workbench 3.1 disk set ADF format).
I read the install instructions several times and they state after the kick.rom is in place and verifiying paths, to go to configurations and choose install WB first and follow the prompts. Fine so far, but when it reaches the part that says you will soon be prompted to provide the Workbench disk in DF0. The problem is I cant figure out how to switch back to WinUAE to load it.
I have tried preloading Install adf and Workbench adf in UAE prior to attempting the install from the config prompt. The install instructions dont say to do that, but that didnt work either.
Also which ADF does it want? Install adf, Workbench adf or which of the 5 0r 6 adf files that are in the pacakage?
Thanks, Im sure Im just missing something or incredibly stupid. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers, allen

[killergorilla]

Press F12 to bring up the WinUAE menu again and insert the Workbench.adf :)

Should be fine after that!

[allen]

Thanks KillerGorilla. That (f12) appears to have done the trick (Install). Install said the Workbench adf file appeared legit and installed, I think, ( I was expecting install to a HD though) I maybe wrong.
Now I have a purple screen with the Amiga checkmark and a animated disk/floppy showing the version of 3.00 and copyright info. Now what? It doesnt go any further.
Sorry, I dont mean to be a pest, just stupid I guess.

Thanks again KillerGorilla!

Cheers!

[Ultron]

If everything went well it with installing ClassicWB, it should've booted from the HD... Are you sure install went well, and the WinUAE config has the HDF mounted? (well, if it installed, it should, unless you changed config midstream)

[allen]

Thanks Ultron. I do not see a entry under hard disks with the 3.x OS so it must not have installed to a emu hard disk. I have tried to create a HD in Win UAE but im not sure if Im doing it correctly as it didnt seem to work.
I dont remember Install asking for a path or if I wanted to install to a harddisk.:bowdown

Thanks again Ultron

[coze]

classic wb comes inside a hdf (harddisk file) you don't have to create another one. if you boot from that hdf, it will ask you for the workbench adf. this step is neccessary cause classic wb can not distribute copyrighted workbench files. It copies these files from your adf and then your classic wb is ready. it doesn't install to your adf. You can just boot from that hdf and you're done.

[allen]

Nevermind, I think I figured it out Yeah!
Thanks everybody!


Thanks coze.
I have located the 4 wb hdf files in the hard disk directory. Now how do i get one of them to load? As I previously stated, I have a purple screen with the Amiga checkmark and a animated disk/floppy showing the version of 3.00 and copyright info.
Ultron asked if WinUAE config has the HDF mounted? I dont think so. How do I do that?

Thanks everybody!

Cheers

[Murple]

Im still working on installing it, so my feedback is limited at this point. Mainly, the docs you have are near useless for people running the Linux UAE. I haven't run a MicroSoft operating system since MSDOS 6.2 and dont plan to ever again. Unfortunately, while UAE works great under Linux, theres enough differences in the way its set up from WinUAE that your how-tos and screen shots have nothing really in common with what Linux users will see. I still havent found the syntax to mount a .hdf ...it seems to be done in the user config file, not through menus. I cant find a manual though.

If I figure it out I'll try and submit a how-to that you can look over and add to the instructions page if you want.

It looks like ClassicWB will be cool if I can get it on there!

[Ultron]

Ultron asked if WinUAE config has the HDF mounted? I dont think so. How do I do that?

Thanks everybody!

Cheers

WinUAE -> Hardrives -> Add Hardfile.

Guys, Classic WB is easy to install, just unpack to Winuae dir, load ClassicWB config, have Workbench.adf ready, insert when needed, remove when finished\asked, then reboot. It should boot into ClassicWB with nothing less to do.

:great

[Murple]

OK, I got it installed, and have some feedback that may make it more useful for Linux users.

First, to install, I installed WB 3.1 on a fresh hard drive. I then had to install Compact Flash drivers to be able to get the System.zip on there. To make System.zip, I didn't use UAE. I'm sure unix UAE has a way to use .hdf files, but I don't know how and when I didnt turn up any docs with Google, I decided I'd just forgo that. Linux can handle Amiga filesystems through the kernel and seems to do a good job managing Amiga file attributes. I mounted System.hdf as a virtual drive ("mount -o loop -t affs System.hdf /mnt") and just did a "zip -r System.zip *" from within the directory where it was mounted. I copied that zip and the install floppy ADF to my Compact Flash card. On the Amiga, I copied System.zip to DH0: and made a floppy from the ADF. I put in the floppy and rebooted. I didnt delete anything because the ClassicWB docs just have a vague "delete workbench files" and I wasn't sure which files it wanted removed. The floppy booted and ran the install script. I didnt get any errors. When I rebooted, it asked me to stick in my WB disk, which I did. It seemed to go OK, but it horked on renaming C/LoadWB.temp to C/LoadWB (I guess that's the WB file I should've removed). I ran a CLI window and read the install script, and saw that renaming LoadWB was the last step before asking about Copper and cleaning up. I manually went and removed (well, renamed) my old LoadWB and moved LoadWB.temp to LoadWB. I moved the install script from DH0:s/ to a harmless location so I could later manually do the cleanup and Copper install. I rebooted.

Someone doing this (which I'm sure is not the best way to go about it) might be alarmed before that reboot that all the icons are just little white boxes. The real NewIcon icons came up fine after reboot. This may not be an issue for people using ClassicWB Lite or ClassicWB Full, since they dont use NewIcons.

First problem: It came up in PAL. That was fun on my NTSC screen. I guess that is one of the gotchas of not being able to customize in WinUAE (and not knowing how to do so in Linux UAE). I turned the VHold knob on my 1084 monitor as far as I could, which stopped the PAL screen from flickering like a strobe light and gave me a distorted but readable display. I went into DH0:Prefs/ScreenMode and picked NTSC High Res. I rebooted. It seems to be working fine now.

OK, now for the feedback.

1) Some kind of Linux docs might be nice. I dont know how different MacUAE is from UAE and WinUAE, but if its not like the Windows one, they might deserve some tips too. The main thing is, how the heck do you mount a HDF in unix UAE since it doesnt seem to have the same GUI at all for managing disk images. Everything else in the steps to make System.zip I'd guess is pretty similar, once you get the image mounted. Alternatively, mention that you can just mount the HDF as a filesystem in Linux and do a regular zip like I did, but that you wont be able to customize it first then.

2) The docs ought to mention something like "ClassicWB defaults to PAL, change this in Prefs/ScreenMode before making System.zip if you require NTSC." While I mainly got surprised there because I didnt get to see it in UAE first, people in WinUAE who arent paying attention to what video mode its in might accidentally create a PAL zip too. The docs dont mention PAL or NTSC at all that I could see.

3) This is probably a NewIcons issue rather than a ClassicWB issue, and I'm going to experiment soon as I finish this post... but the NewIcons on there with a clean install of ClassicWB require a pretty high resolution screen to not be gigantic. Some people like me may have a powerful enough CPU and enough RAM to run ClassicWB ADVSP, but not have a fancy display. I can reasonably run in NTSC High Res or NTSC Super High Res. In High Res, the icons are just too big. In Super High Res, theyre a nice height, but are so narrow theyre hard to see. I guess if I could run super high res interlace, theyd be a good size, but then I'd have a seizure from the screen flicker haha. It would be cool if there were a ClassicWB that had all the features of ADVSP but have wider or smaller NewIcons for people using only high or super high resolution NTSC or PAL.

Anyway, now I'm excited to go play with it. It looks like its a great package, and once I tweak it some I think its going to make my Amiga a whole lot cooler. Thanks for putting this together!

[Ultron]

Are you using UAE oe E-UAE (http://www.rcdrummond.net/uae/)? If you're using Linux, you should go with E-UAE.

UAE hasn't been developped in quite some time.

[Murple]

I've got whichever UAE comes on the Amiga Forever 2006 CD. I believe its regular UAE. E-UAE isn't familiar to me... I'm not really a fan of emulation so I haven't really followed the developments.

ClassicWB seems to have me stuck in a GB keymap. The usa2 keymap file is there, but trying to pick it in prefs gives me some error that it seems to be trying to load a mangled keymap. I'll have to play with it more tomorrow when I've got time.

[Methanoid]

Bloodwych

I was returning to ClassicWB after some time not using WinUAE and was about to download all the packs when I spotted them on my HD but since there are no version numbers, no dates and no version history on the website how can anyone know what is the current releases!!

Can't believe you missed that in such a professional piece of work!!

Yes there is a sort of version history in this forum but the filenames are all the same... unless I have the final final final version already? ConfusinG!!

Meth

[Bloodwych]

Methanoid!!! :D

I’m naughty aren’t I?

There is a version history along with release dates linked on the main download page. I think you’ve already spotted it:

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=13494

To check your current packs, look at the file date on the HDF file included in the zips and compare with the dates on the version history postings.

There is also a version number available from within the Workbench. Go to the top left hand menu and select “Tools->System->Bloodwych”.

Not naming the individual zip files is something I did on purpose, but really not down to anything other than laziness! I have a script to created all the zipped Workbench packs with one click and didn’t want to keep on changing the archive names and the webpage links before uploading – I know, I know, poor excuse! I should have at least included a simple text file in the zips listing version number/history for easy reference.

Although I appreciate the compliment, I’m certainly no professional when it comes to presentation like AIAB, AmiSYS and AmiKitt. ;) Guess I enjoy building the Workbench packs, but really skip on the part of distributing them.

[Methanoid]

Although I appreciate the compliment, I’m certainly no professional when it comes to presentation like AIAB, AmiSYS and AmiKitt. ;) Guess I enjoy building the Workbench packs, but really skip on the part of distributing them.

Hey, I think your ClassicWBs are VERY professional. For me they are THE pack and the others are just alternatives. But you'll need a new project now they are final....

How about sorting out an Amithlon installer routine for PCs? :banghead

[Bloodwych]

Amithlon - hmmm if only I could help! I've never even tried it to be honest.

Thanks for the compliment. You’re right, all the packs make great alternative setups, as they're so different to one another. I must admit, I have a copy of each on my retobox PC but obviously ClassicWB on the A1200.

As for the ClassicWB Final, yes the road has come to an end. However, there will be the update packs... :)

[Marcuz]

out of curiosity, update packs aside, do you have any new amiga project or you prefer to invest in real life?

[Bloodwych]

I'm a real life junkie at the moment.

You may have noticed, I haven't been visiting the EAB anywhere near as much as I used too. :(

That doesn't mean I've given up on the place, too many great people here, just going through a stage where other priorities are higher.

[gulliver]

Thank you Bloodwych! I use Classic Advanced and its great in my amiga. I hope you could add tools such as Scala MM300/400/IC500, more emulators and Office productivity suits, FinalWriter is fine, but what about Turbocalc, Muibase, Homebank, Organiser?

Anyway, thank you again

[Bloodwych]

Hi gulliver, thanks for posting. :)

Many people mention extra programs to add, but to be honest it would just make the base install too big. I've included some essential programs only, then the end user can add the rest as the majority won't use their Amiga for such tasks.

[Marcuz]

sorted out the installation of the update pack... great! thank you Bloodwych!

[sbeehre]

Man im so impressed by Classic WB! i tried OS 3.9 on my A1200/030 50 with 32mb of RAM but its to slow... ive now switched to Classic WB and couldnt be happier.

[Bloodwych]

Hi marco! Glad you've got it sorted. Noticed you had an issue for a couple of minutes with using the wrong zip file. I've added a line to the Upgrade instructions to make it clear you need to use the "Update.zip" that's found inside the downloaded pack.

sbeehre, thanks for popping in and welcome to the EAB forum.

[eilz]

I realise this is wrong thread, but does the Tribute Boot Disk for the Xbox still exist and if so where can I get it from, I really want to be able to run amiga classic from boot cd using the whdload games. thanks Eilz

[extralife]

Just wanted to say thx for the super cool ClassicWB, been using it for some time now and it has really made my ami time alot easier. :D
My 060 and me :bowdown before you for such a great and easy setup.
Thx man

[Firstbase]

This was awesome man! I just downloaded this WBClassic pack, really good bro!!!:great I really look forward to the 3.9 pack!!!! :bowdown

[prart]

Thank yu Bloodwych for your hard work! i`m using full version on my A1200 and it`s really AMAZING. I would like to see one thing added: CF via PCMCIA adapter support. right now i must install CFD pack (ftp://de.aminet.net/pub/aminet/disk/misc/cfd.lha) and Fat95 (ftp://de.aminet.net/pub/aminet/disk/misc/fat95.lha). could you include it in the package to work out-of-the-box?

[Anemos]

excellent Amiga system we thank a lot.

[adonay]

I have meant to write here for some time now about how great i think classic wb is "sorry for the delay"... I used a sytem based around Os 3.9 and Warpos .. I was not happy couse my "WB modding was never that good" And my hacky wb setups with xx amount of patches was fairly unstable... I nearly gave up playing with a real amiga, used UAE and amikit. But it did not have the right retro feel to it .. Tried classic Wb and :shocked:shocked:shockedIMPRESSED:shocked:shocked:shocked Still use it almost every day.. I swapped my BPPC acc with my Apollo 060 and now i just enjoy to use amiga os again like i did years ago... Your pack saved my amiga experience ... Its not bloated or too much eye candy "it has the feel i want" .. I have upgraded it with P96 and Mediator software on my main amiga and love the functuality both on my "1200D AGA" and 1200T it gives me a package i could never find time to put together myself as well as the fastest most usable system i have ever had .. Thanks Bloodwych:bowdown:bowdown you have made something great here .. Also tried Amisys and such but they are not for me :guru ..

[Frog]

Due to some reinstall, i just download the last ClassicWB package for WinUAE and i must say i've been surprised to get some fun using WinUAE+ClassicWB surfing on WWW... writing on AWeb atm you see... ;)
It's a really nice "ready to use" package according to "Adonay" which give back the amiga feeling.

Thanks :))

[Bloodwych]

Thanks for the feedback everyone, I really enjoy reading your experiences. Glad it's got the Amiga nostalgia flowing both in emulators and real machines!

prart, Ive never looked into supporting CF media directly; I'm aware it's very popular now so I may have a look next time around.

Frog, yeah that WinUAE pack works quite well for a little Classic nostalgia or a simple quick fix for new users. Obviously not as good from a technical standpoint as AIAB, Amikit or AmigaSYS, but if you just want to experience a Classic Workbench with the advantages of P96 it works quite well. Thanks for giving it a try. :)

[Frog]

well i think your package is nice for a "basic" or even "advanced" used. there's most of useful tool, it's easy to add some of them... and not as "eye candy" or should i say "window's like" as AmigaSYS or Amikit.

In fact it suit my need, my old workbench (for A1200+Blizzard IV+FPU) is a bit too "patched" to be safely used under WinUAE

Only thing that i could complain is that Scalos menu are only in english ;)

... well also i prefer Virus Executor as it handle to directly download latest libs and it succesfully restored some infected files in the past !

Just question of taste, as i said in other manner, you've installed most of common and useful tool and it's easy to add/replace some of them with your favorite one !
It's as if you said, Deliplayer is better than Eagleplayer no... it's Hippoplayer... wrong it's AmiNetRadio... hmmm...

oh YES... i found something "horrible", perhaps it's my fault but i can't used RMB under AWeb under a link to open a new window !! No menu at all !

[Bloodwych]

Hmmm. I'm not sure about RMB and AWeb. Let's have a look....

There is an option under "Settings->GUI Settings" and you can enable the right mouse button popup menu there! :)

I'll try and remember to place that setting to on in the next packs.

EDIT: I was just thinking, it's probably disabled by default due to the number of MagicMenu users!

[Frog]

I was just thinking, it's probably disabled by default due to the number of MagicMenu users!
that's what i was thinking... i'll try to disable MagicMenu and MCP (do you think of some others patch that can disable RMB under AWEb ?) to see if it works.

Anyway that's sad that you can't put a decent browser as a registred IBrowse version... it dosn't seems to be supported anymore...

[Bloodwych]

that's what i was thinking... i'll try to disable MagicMenu and MCP (do you think of some others patch that can disable RMB under AWEb ?) to see if it works.

No need to disable MagicMenu! :) I've just tried and as long as you enable the right mouse button feature in the "Settings->GUI Settings" like mention in my last post, it over-rides MagicMenu.

MCP may cause problems, but I don't know as I've never had it installed.

Yeah you're right about the browser - I could have put in the unregistered version of iBrowse, but I didn't want unregistered software in the ClassicWB packs apart from WHDLoad. There are newer versions of AWeb available. I stuck to the last stable release.

[Frog]

There is an option under "Settings->GUI Settings" and you can enable the right mouse button popup menu there!
Thanks, i'll try that... a bit strange they didn't enable it as defaut :nuts

[NovaCoder]

Downloaded and installed the 'full' version of ClassicWB on my 1200 (standard apart from an extra 4mb) last night. It was a relatively straight-forward process using WinUAE and my flash 'HD', even for a new user like me.

Wow what a difference to the standard 3.1 WB that I was running before, this now looks usable (and user-friendly).

Great job Bloodwych, much appreciated :D

[killergorilla]

Totally agree NovaCoder, I can't recommend it enough.

[The Yeti]

Completely agree with everybody's comments, I love this project!

Glad to say it's totally re-ignited my interest in the amiga scene again after leaving around 2000 for the pc/mac.

As much as I loved the amiga back then I would often be frustrated trying to install lots of little 'improvement' patches on my system which often weren't compatible with each other and usually sent the machine on course to guru city! So it's fantastic that somebody's taken the time out to create this wonderful turnkey setup that looks dead cool and is nice and stable :)

So i've recently grabbed myself a fresh (non yellow) amiga off ebay, popped in my old 040 accelerator (sensibly kept in storage all these years), bought a buffered IDE interface and an pcmcia flash adapter, and now i'm contently sat here with an enlarged grin from ear to ear whilst installing whdloaders :D

So yep, thank you Bloodwych for your totally awesome work! :great

[TheCorfiot]

@The Yeti

Hey Welcome back.......

Hope you enjoy EAB, You won't find a more helpful community

:)

[The Yeti]

@The Yeti

Hey Welcome back.......

Hope you enjoy EAB, You won't find a more helpful community

:)

Thank you sir, glad to be here! :great

[Anemos]

i can't think my Miggy with out this ClassicWB..
all remain working perfect both A1200.

[frikilokooo]

I'm not sure if I made my feedback before:D,anyway ClassicWB is wonderful,very pretty and useful unlike Windows 98:guru (luckyly already it is forgotten:D)

[Yoto]

I´ve tested it, and i must say, its Bloodwy awsome!!!

[Graham Humphrey]

Never left feedback on here before so I thought it was time I changed that.

I use it on WinUAE (I've put too much effort into my Workbench on my real A1200 ;)) and it's awesome, quite frankly. I'd recommend it to anyone, as would most people here I'm sure. Many thanks for your excellent work Bloodwych.

[rkauer]

Installed ECS Classic on mine A600. Works perfectly.:great:bowdown:great:bowdown

Just two suggestions:

1- Swap lha 2.12 for the good old 1.38 (2.12 have bugs!);:shocked

2- Add Viewtek instead of JIV (VT is able to show gif and jpg archives).;)

And if you mind, ask Chris Hodges to toss "Tubes" (a tube game) in the package.:bowdown Great game, BTW. Well written et all.:great

[StrategyGamer]

1- Swap lha 2.12 for the good old 1.38 (2.12 have bugs!);:shocked


I disagree.
According to Team Chaos history logs: lha 2.1 has bugs and so does 2.2. But 2.12 works.

I have been using 2.12 on my machine for some months now and it works without bugs for me.

1.38 is 100% reliable and has a much smaller exe and is faster than 2.12. Perhaps that is what you were referring to?

[rkauer]

Hello James! Glad to see you around.:great

Nope, 2.12 still have the same bugs 2.2 have. I tested it on mine 1200 just to be sure (Microbotics 1230 & Apollo 1240).

But even if the bug don't appear when running in a plain 68000 (which I doubt), 1.38 is smaller and faster, as you said.

BTW: anyone have a suggestion for a Multiview replacement for A600/WB2.1?

[Visper]

BTW: anyone have a suggestion for a Multiview replacement for A600/WB2.1?

I have installed OS 2.0+ MultiView replacement (http://aminet.net/search?query=multiview) and it seems to work fine but everytime I try to open a file, the messagebox "Cannot open amigaguide.library! Using DEFAULT instead" appears. The amigaguide lib is, of course, installed :banghead

Any idea?

[Fingerlickin_B]

Bloody awesome!

I've been using the "advanced" version on my A1200 for ages now & although I've had other OS installed during that time (other drives, boot-selectable muti-drive configuration) Classic WB is what I use for just about EVERYTHING!

Very well thought out and user friendly! :great

Great if you are using a small TV for your monitor too! :D

PZ.

[dword]

Im not sure if the CF version of classic workbench counts but well its still classic WB with some alterations to allow flash cards :D

Anyway I think classic workbench is GREAT!, it adds so much to the amiga and considering my amiga isnt always good enough to play some games well I have set it all up to run through emulation. The end result is something that I was worried was turning out a disaster turned out dam good! I really like classic WB, awesome project as far as I'm concerned and I haven't even scratched the surface of its capabilities.

Awesome project, keep up the great work, would also like to think work on the CF aspect will keep getting worked on if required although I realise thats kinda differant to classic workbench, CWB has a much more user friendly interface as well.

Just to affirm what theperson before me says, well I cant see me using anything else. People that put stuff like that out for community use deserve much success, thats how I see it.

[Leffmann]

I just found the ClassicWB page and I can't believe I didn't find out about this earlier. I've been stuck with a plain WB 3.1 install for some time, thinking it's too much of a hassle to recreate the install I used to have. This makes things a lot more comfortable.

Thanks a lot for your efforts in creating the ClassicWB!

[illy5603]

I got classic WB up and running on my NTSC A1200 with 8 megs ram and a 4gig CF hard disk running in Multiscan productivity mode with very little problems. My only "mods" were to install MCP to turn the gray border black and installation of my easyadf and Ami-express BBS software.

The best part was I "built" my customized install in WinUAE and transferred it over via unzip on a CF card. Rebooted, worked like a champ!

Thanks for such a great WB!

[TheCorfiot]

Got Classic WB running on my Xbox now too......

TC :D

[Bloodwych]

Got Classic WB running on my Xbox now too......

TC :D

Nice!

Did you try the AmigaSYS special version on your XBOX? Not sure how Dary customized, but it does look special! :D

http://amigasys.extra.hu/xbox.html

[TheCorfiot]

@Bloodwych

Hi Thanks for the heads up, I will give it a go, I'm just so comfy with Classic Workbench now & really know my way around it, I'm still running The Last OS3.9 Classic Workbench beta on my A1200 with Indivision & really enjoying it....

Do you have any updates or final release for the OS3.5 / OS3.9 Classic Workbench yet my friend.

Really appreciate your hard work, Classic Workbench is a real must for all my miggys

TC :great

[Marcuz]

recently i haven't sing my praises for ClassicWB... the 3.9 beta (final) is great!

[Kyon]

hi my friend whats going on ? new packs are coming ?
i saw new programs and updates on amiga community :) thanks

[DoneYone]

Thanks for these great packs, it totally gave me and my friends an old hobby back. you rock.

[illy5603]

Enjoying having my BBS back online on top of ClassicWB AGA! I may have to give the 3.9 version a try if you can make it simple enough for me! I have had this stupid 3.9 CD for years and have never used it.

Thanks again!

You get double kudos! I posted last Fall, totally forgot!

[Kyon]

new release will include whdload 16.9 ?

[radon_22]

ClassicWB is awesome! It's the best classic Amiga feeling WB setup out there, with much higher compatability than the "other" pre-configured WBs out there.

[Bloodwych]

Kyon, yes the next version will have WHDLoad 16.9. It's easy to update yourself however - just copy the relevant files from the 16.9 archive to the C drawer.

radon_22, thanks for the comment. :)

[Muzer]

I really, really like it. I haven't got it on my real Amiga yet, but I've been installing games onto the virtual image and the look and feel is almost perfect.

One small question though: How would I get it to save my preferences for a drawer? For example, if in a certain draw I tell it to display only icons, next time I view it, it's back to displaying all files.

[Bloodwych]

How would I get it to save my preferences for a drawer? For example, if in a certain draw I tell it to display only icons, next time I view it, it's back to displaying all files.

The drawer doesn't have an icon or you haven't "snapshot" the drawer after changing the options.

Either use the icon update utility to give the drawer an icon (the .info files you see in dopus) or if it already has an icon, select the window right click and select "Window->Snapshot->All."

[Muzer]

Well, it's actually the root of a (virtual) drive... I've set it to a directory, and it takes ages to load since it's got loads of files in it.

[DoogUK]

I've just installed ClassicWB 3.9 on my 1260T.

Fantastic work Bloodwych! :great:great:great

[Kyon]

i cant wait new version :)

[Kyon]

new version is so soon ???

[Bloodwych]

I'm waiting for some info from KillerGorilla about KGLoad, and also version 1.6 of iGame, although I do have a beta iGame with a bug fixed so that's not essential.

I'm also looking at getting an E-UAE version on the go as well for Mac and Linux users (using the ClassicWB UAE setup).

If it looks like I can't get these things resolved before xmas, then I might have to decide to release anyway.

[Kyon]

we will see xmas release again ??? :D

[Anemos]

Ill stay on ClassicWB for 3.1 i like it ..
any way the Bloodwych is good developer,
also is good UT player.. :D

[Kyon]

hi my friend do you have news about new packs ?

[Bloodwych]

Kyon, as you are already aware, I did decide to do a :xmas release without a new and finished KGLoad or iGame v1.6 :D

Also released ClassicWB OS39 to the public, as I'm tired of getting pm's requesting it!

Not updated some EAB threads yet, but the webpage is updated, new tutorial vids added to reflect changes to the packs (like improved assign and multi-partition support) and the Large Hard Drive thread completely re-written.

I'll list the changes in the other threads once I get some time. :)

[Kyon]

new version released ??? i dont understand :D

[fitzsteve]

Thanks for the new packs :)

:xmas

[Kyon]

you are right my friend i saw problems uae pack with 2.0.1 :( Full pack better for me :)

[Retroplay]

v25 up and running on my A1200.
Thanks a lot Bloodwych. :D

[Riempie]

Hi there!

I haven't touched my amiga's (2x A1200, 1x A500) for years and then I saw classicwb. It really brought back some good memories. So I decided to order some things from amigakit to bring classicwb to my A1200 systems.

I ordered 2 internal cf-hd's replacing the current/noisy/dying HD's. I also bought 2 external pcmcia cf-cards to transfer files from pc to the amiga (my brother also wants an Amiga again so that's why I ordered 2x)

I haven't received the stuff yet (ordered yesterday), but I've read the instructions on the classicwb page. I was wondering, why would I need the adf-install disk to install classicwb on my real amiga? I've already got clasicwb working in winuae, so I thought I could just copy the contents (zipped in winuae) to my real amiga replacing all the existing files. Am I missing something here? And if I do need the adf-install disk, should I run this from inside winuae or transfer this to a real disk first?

[Bloodwych]

On the site it mentions two methods - direct copying of files, or method 2 which uses the install disk.

The install disk does nothing more than unzip files to the hard drive, give you the option of deleting System.zip and replace the trashcan icon with a better looking one if present. So no, you don't need to use the install disk if you are happy unzipping/copying the files over yourself. :)

[Riempie]

Cool, thx for your ultra-quick reply. I thought the disk was needed for every step within method 2.

I was wondering, how does a real amiga recognize classicwb? I mean, I must configure my cf-hd first before I can copy the files. Doesn't the contents of system.zip replace the settings I made in hd-toolbox? It'll probably be no problem, but I'm just curious.

[Bloodwych]

The CF-HD works just like a normal HD - the settings are stored in the RDB (Rigid Disk Block) or CF equivalent. This is only accessed when initially mounting the device by the Amiga's ROM and hard drive controller, and only changed through partitioning tools. Whatever settings and filesystem you set here stays in place no matter what you copy to it.

The only thing that needs to be activated ClassicWB side is Large HD support if you want to use partitions beyong the 4GB barrier. The info is in a sticky at the top of this ClassicWB subforum, as it also means selecting the correct filesystem too.

[Anemos]

hi Blood!
update link for v25 is broken! http://classicwb.abime.net/classicweb/updatev25.htm

[DH]

Can be found here too Anemos http://classicwb.abime.net/classicweb/download.htm

[Anemos]

i need the update file only ! v25

[seuden]

No Packs currently available for v25..

[Anemos]

No Packs currently available for v25
oh.. by bad again.. and again.. :banghead

[seuden]

Hehe, no worries Anemos. :D

[DiskDoctor]

Hello,

I used to be using ClassicWB some tima now. This kind of projects are of no less importance than the uae alopne.

But

Why is it not yet included in AmigaForever?? The API is public and maintaining several OS3.x environments on a PC is annoying and kindda pointless.

Wish you would port it into AF.

Great product again.

DD

[Vicky]

I am new to posting on boards so please bear with me while I learn.

I would like to compliment Bloodwych on her Amiga ClassicWB project. It is a wonderful emulation of the real Amigas, which I used when they came out. Thank you so much for this projecdt.

[T_hairy_bootson]

Bloodwych is a dude. But I would like to also add my compliments to him as I use classicWB on two real amigas at the moment and soon a third... as soon as I find where I put that 8gb CF card...:scream

[lambrettadave]

I would just like to say thanks for putting up a great package I am using it to its full now cheers bloodwych

Dave

[Bloodwych]

Thanks for dropping in guys (and girls) and sharing a few words. Much appreciated. :)

[NovaCoder]

I hate it and expect a full refund!

Ok seriously, been using the latest 3.9 version for a few weeks now and love it :)

A few questions/suggestions:

1) Ditch that nasty CuberBugFix patch ;)
2) I'm not sure which IconBeFast patch you're using but it normally should only be run once and therefore cannot be disable/re-enabled via scripts.
3) On a real Miggy (ACA 030) I've found that Amplifier is better at playing back MP3's than SongPlayer, not sure what else SongPlayer is used for but if it's just for the same music formats as Amplifier I'd suggest you just stick with the default Amplifier (and also upgrade it to v2.3 if possible).
4) How do you remove components from the workbench/settings/components menu buttons? For example I would like to remove the button for enabling CyberBugFix if it's an easy thing to do.
5) Is there an easy way to fix up the AREX scripts for Action/Amplifier so that you can launch those programs automatically by clicking on an AVI/MP3 (the default AREX scripts appear to be broken by default unless it's just me)
6) You should probably swap the default web browser from AWeb to iBrowse as AWeb is even less useful than iBrowse (as long as this doesn't break the HTML icon's default tooltypes).

PS. Thanks for all your great work on this :)

[Bloodwych]

Thanks for the useful feedback NovaCoder. I'll look into all that. Never tried Amplifier, but if it's better and causes no issues then I will replace.

As for the components, it's Right Click Workbench->Settings->Buttonmenu, or Run Icon->Settings->Buttonmenu. When you use the open requester, you'll find all the menus which you can change.

I wish iBrowse didn't require registering, but I tend to shy away from including software that requires registration apart from WHDLoad. They are both pretty average for websurfing anyway, but I will consider and try out iBrowse if that's what 99% Classic Amiga users use.

The rest I'm not sure about yet; apart from Scumm have you noticed anything else Cyberbugfix breaks? I may very well leave it disabled by default or add an Enable/Disable option during install, explaining what it may break. I'll have a look next time I feel motivated to do the v27 packs. :)

[mfilos]

I also installed Amplifier stock that works awesomely with my MAS Player.
Playing MP3 @ 030 isn't a nice experience at least imo without hardware decoding.
Changing Bloodwych's buttons on menus is indeed really easy and also the "Other" menu under RUN is also easy and helpful.
Tbh, removing Cyberbugfix isn't important as you can disable it anyway. If it bothers you, you can remove it from the buttons.
In my ACA630 it doesn't produce any error so it's a nice option to have even for testing purposes.

I also made a custom ClassicWB3.9 including CGX4, AfAOS, Antialiased fonts, Ken's Icons etc... that is really awesome for me, cause I have BW's awesome stuff plus the nice configured options, without lacking the good stuff that RTG provides :)
You can check it out here: http://mfilos.blogspot.com/2011/06/a1200d-ppc-os-upgrademore.html

Bloodwych rulez!

[Bloodwych]

What rulz mfilos are your hardware setups plus those magical touches you add to the ClassicWB. :cheese

[NovaCoder]

Thanks for the useful feedback NovaCoder. I'll look into all that. Never tried Amplifier, but if it's better and causes no issues then I will replace.

Yep Amplifier is the default OS3.9 audio player so you won't need to include it in your packs (unless of course you can update it to the newer version for people [part of BB3]).


Thanks I wish iBrowse didn't require registering, but I tend to shy away from including software that requires registration apart from WHDLoad. They are both pretty average for websurfing anyway, but I will consider and try out iBrowse if that's what 99% Classic Amiga users use.

Yep web browsing on classics is pretty much a waste of time with any browser but iBrowse is the pick of the bunch and the key file thing is just crazy for software that you can no longer buy (and never will be able to buy again).

[Bloodwych]

Of course, silly me! Amplifier is part of OS3.9 so Songplayer, which I've used for 3.5 and below for MP3 playback, can be removed if it no longer serves a purpose. I'll look into it next round - plus iBrowse.

I'm also going to add an enable/disable option during the install for Cyberbugfix, warning about how it breaks ScummVM. Then people can make an informed choice to run it from the start and be aware of the issue.

[sir_inferno]

Thanks for ClassicWB, Bloodwych! I've only used it for 5 minutes and can already see how it's saved me hours of grief and boredom.

One thing which caught me up was getting multiple "bad zipfile offset" errors during installation. Perhaps you could put a list of the most common causes in your FAQ section? I ask this because whilst zipping in windows etc. may be the most common cause, in my case it was a MaxTransfer issue with my CF 'hard drive' which wasn't readily apparent to a novice Amiga user like myself and it might help someone in future.

Anyway, thanks again for your hard work!

[Bloodwych]

Thanks for the feedback sir inferno.

I'll certainly try to remember to add that to the FAQ - you are right, it is a very common error that deserves to be in there.

[NovaCoder]

Hiya,

Looks like CPU specific versions of CopyMem() and CopyMemQuick() might be worthy additions for a future release.

:)

[DH]

Bloodwych my old mucka :)

I installed your version of ClassicWB P96 along with your Config file installed everything perfectly with no problems until I ran WB for the first time. Now bare in mind this is not a problem with it, but it's just a small tweak that I think you need to adjust in your config file.

Ahem!

DirectDraw is set in Miscellaneous/Graphics API (WinUAE 2.3.3) This has proven to be far to slow.

As soon as I changed it to Direct3D it runs as smooth as an Amiga should, so my guess is that your config file needs updating to use Direct3D instead, certainly for this version of WinUAE. Of course WinUAE older versions may run perfectly OK using DirectDraw, so maybe a note explaining this would suffice :)

Other than that, marvellous work, it's AWESOME!!!

[Bloodwych]

Thanks for the heads up DemonHellraiser.

Yes indeed the ClassicWB config files are getting long in the tooth and it looks like they need updating for the latest WinUAE.

I never would have realized without your feedback, so much appreciated. I'll try and get them updated soon along with updating WHDLoad to the non-beta v17.

Thanks for the kind words. :)

[Peter]

Hi Bloodwych,

Just wondered if you had ever considered creating a WB Boot intro like the one Amisys uses?

It's a purely cosmetic feature but the boot screen Amisys uses together with the little jingle does look and sound pretty cool - although I know some people will just say it's a Windows type feature, a Classic WB version would be fun...

Just a thought... :-)

[Bloodwych]

Thanks for the suggestion Peter.

I'm kind of running out of things to add to the packs now, so you never know I might add it as an install option in the next version! As you said, intro screens/music are not for everyone.

Also might add some more wallpapers. Just have to see how I feel when I get around to updating.

[CritAnime]

Just wanted to say I am in love with the 86k versions of ClassicWB. And the GAAE version... it obvious a lot of love and passion has gone into it.

[Bloodwych]

Cheers CritAnime, thanks for popping by. :)

[Synthesize Me]

Plain and simple: Classic WB freaking rules!
It really makes it easier and more fun for people new to the scene to get into the classic hardware and also saves everybody a lot of time and effort. You really made a big impact on the scene by doing this and also ensured that the Amiga lives on or even gets discovered for the first time in some cases!
I, and I'm sure many of us, can't thank you enough Bloodwych!

[Timmy91]

Congrats for the latest release!

Have you ever considered doing a version for Amiga Forever? I like the way you can just click on the AmigaSys and AmiKit titles in Amiga Forever, and installation is automatic and fast. Today they released the AmiKit 1.6 update, and it was just two clicks to get that running.

[Anemos]

thanks for your work Bloodwych ;)

[fitzsteve]

Thanks for the updates Bloodwych - you da man :great

[lolafg]

:greatWanted to thank you for the V27 releases , i've now the 68K 1.3 theme in my Minimig and the 68K 3.1 in my Chameleon !!
Will do a video today as it's snowing a lot in France....

:greatThanks again:great

[spannernick]

Classic WB is great on my A1200 2mb..;)
Thanks Blood..;)

[desiv]

Should have posted here before, but didn't notice this thread.
I've been using ClassicWB FULL on my A1200 (now with an ACA1230/28) for a bit now.
Love it!
Thanx for putting this together!!

Just installed Tool Manager on it for a DOCK application.
I finally got that configured and I must admit, I really like that.
Might be worth looking at installing it and configuring it with a default of a few apps, like DirOPUS, iGame, etc.. Maybe leave it disabled, but if someone enables it, it comes up with a few prepopulated icons.
(The initial config can be a bit confusing if you don't read the manual, which I didn't ;-)

Anyway, love ClassicWB!

desiv

[Leandro Jardim]

Bloodwych, I keep playing with ClassicWB Lite all the day! I love your 1.3 themed Workbench versions! ;)

[spannernick]

Hi here is my feedback,I am running Classic WB ADVSP on only 4mb and it works ok..thats 2mb Chip and 2mb Fast..;)

Im using a PCMICA 2mb card BTW

Love Classic WB..:D

Oh can you put Tiny Launcher in it please..??

[jonathan]

The 1.3 retro theme for os 3.9 would be cool.

[john1979]

My first post on EAB!

I managed to trash my Classic Lite install so instead of opening the case and getting the CF out I thought I would serial the System.zip and real_amiga_install.adf over.

Unfortunately the adf included with lite seems to be broken. Winuae can read it but writing to disk using transadf from the A1200 gives an NDOS disk which doesn't boot. I tried several writes and downloaded a fresh copy from the website but no luck.

Someone here also seems to get the same problem:
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=63186
Another issue is the Real_Amiga_Install.adf file. If I extract this file with ADF-Blitzer it creates a No-Dos disk.My way round it was to mount it in Winuae and copy the contents out to the A1200. Then format-install a floppy and copy the files to it. This got me going.

Anyway thanks for classic wb it is absolutely amazing.

[spannernick]

Just tried the 24 bit version of iBrowser on CWB AVDSP and it works fine but the only thing thats annoying is its a demo so only works for 30min and you can't register it at the moment thats what it says on there site.."IBrowse 2.4 is temporarily unavailable for purchase. Apologies for any inconvenience." but that been there for a long time..??

(anyone got a key) - JOKE..lol

[Peter]

I may be going mad but... where is the "Execute Command" pull down that exists in Workbench 3 found in classic Workbench? It must be hidden within the Scalos menu system some where...?

[PeterK]

Shortcuts --> Defaults --> Execute Command

[groundplayer]

Thankyou Bloodwych for absolutely amazing newOs experience for amiga ! Just quick question, to start avi with doubleclicking icon (ACTION player) i had to enable write,executable and script bit for S/Start-ACTION.rexx file and rename "C/Action" file to "C/Action_" before it works. Is that a known bug or do i have to install everything again to make sure ?

Thankyou ! :great