Old ClassicWB P96 comments & return of Burseg!

[teh]

Sounds great Bloodwych!

If you wanted to add an extra thing to classic workbench. I though maybe a Bootlogo (Ill plonk a screendump later).

teh

[Bloodwych]

The download is up, details added to the opening post. Not sure what my download limit is, but I'm positive not enough of you will be rushing to grab it so I can't foresee any problems. :lol Please offer any comments/suggestions if you have time.

Thanks teh. :)

As for a boot logo, I thought about that after seeing Paul’s great WB 2.0 setup ages ago which had a joke windows 3.1 logo.

Thing is, boot logos are more of a windows thing and this is meant to be a ClassicWB so I've never been keen on adding one. I'd be tempted to add my avatar to it as well :cheese , plus it increases boot time slightly. If someone comes up with a nice design I might ad one in the future. ;)

[teh]

hows this? I use this on my a1200

[Bloodwych]

Hmmm, yes I like that teh - not too overpowering or pretentious. :great

What I'll probably do then is offer it as an option during the install procedure during the next update cycle. :)

[teh]

lol

The picture does strech though, but im working on that

[MethodGit]

Just thought I'd ask..... wonder why you are directed to Cloanto's products page when you want to purchase a valid WB 3.0 disk? It's not like you can get it seperately off them, or in a physical form for that matter. ;) :p

[Bloodwych]

Well methodgit, a few reasons:

One, they are the official copyright holders last time I checked and if anyone associated with them visits the ClassicWB web page or thread they can see I’m making an effort to support and recognise those rights.

Secondly, if I don’t place the link then people ask where they can get a workbench disk from. With the link in place, they should be able to see I’m not supporting piracy or willing to provide a workbench disk.

Since the Classic WB is primarily for people with real Amigas, as far as I'm concerned they should already own a legal copy of WB 3. If they don’t and therefore can’t use the Classic WB, then they’ll have to either buy Amiga Forever or visit e-bay. Link is there for that reason also.

[MethodGit]

I see. It's just that I was wondering if anyone would assume you can buy actual original Workbench floppy disks off Cloanto, and then they realise they're in virtual form and part of a mega-package (which I finally bought meself, go me!). :D

[Bloodwych]

I see your point, I should make it clearer. I'll add detail in the next release readme files - you've done the job for me in this thread. :cool

[Bloodwych]

Updated the install package to V2

Changes are minor:

Replaced NewZap with FileX (thanks Severin)
Added XADmaster key for the new freeware v12.1a - NO MORE SHAREWARE POPUP when virus checking! :) (thanks enverex) Fully installed XPK libs and added 2 new utilities that use this library
Added XFH as an optional real time compressed volume utility
Added SnoopDOS
Updated Readme files.
Cleaned up and optimised install


That's about it. PM me for the link. :)

[blakstar]

I see. It's just that I was wondering if anyone would assume you can buy actual original Workbench floppy disks off Cloanto, and then they realise they're in virtual form and part of a mega-package (which I finally bought meself, go me!). :D

With regard to the original Workbench disks, you might want to check out Cloanto's Amiga Forever site.

Here's the quote from the site:

"In agreement with Amiga Inc. we plan to soon start offering Amiga OS media to support old Amiga computers with lost or damaged system disks.

This will include:

Amiga 1000 Kickstart 1.3 disk
Amiga OS floppy disk sets (v. 1.3 to v. 3.1)
Dedicated driver/software disks
It will be required to provide the serial number of the computer. The disks will be physical Amiga floppy disks (no disk downloadable images).

If you are interested in this service please monitor this page for changes. Thank you for your patience."

The page itself is found at http://www.amigaforever.com/osmedia

[Bloodwych]

Thanks for the info blakstar. It's about time people could get hold of replacement disks.

[Phiber]

Well, original Workbench 3.1 disks are sold (among other nice amiga gadgets) for example here: http://www.vesalia.de

[oldpx]

Well, I don't enjoy posting here, and I hope this will be the last but it must be done.

I hope that fucked up version of the my old ppc wallpaper is not included in the package. As much as I like the idea of people using something done by me, I dislike those who don't respect the rights that only belong to the original creator. If the person who decided to remove the PPC text has asked me, I would gladly send him an edited version. But no, butchering the work himself was all that he had in his barbaric mind and I wasn't around anyway. Maybe the person shouldn't bear the entire guilt. I recently noticed the wallpaper section of abime net suddenly stopped openly crediting the designer. Sure you'll see "by burseg" in the alt text, but I bet most of you didn't even know it before I said it. I must note that I think that wallpaper, even the original is pretty ugly and I wouldn't do something like that today, but still, only I have the right to fuck it up. Why? Apart from the legal rights which I don't want to bring up for a stupid wallpaper issue, I have ethics on this. No matter how ugly or useless the original is, the creator is the only one who could make a finished work better. If he couldn't, then he just COULDN'T and the case is closed. You can't make it better because it's "finished" and you didn't participate in the creation process. Do you prefer the original song or the remix? How many good songs have you listened that were screwed up in a remix? Yours will be another ugly visual in the ocean of ugly visuals called the Internet.

It is also OK to fuck anything up if you're going to use it yourself, and not spread.

Again, I'm not against including THE ORIGINAL or a modified version done by ME in the package but I'm closer to the idea of scrapping it entirely.

In conclusion,
@bloodwych
I can help you with making a better one if you'd like.

Oh and I probably wouldn't mind THAT much if that was done properly, but would it be possible that I'd agree it was done properly? I think not, I'm stubborn.

That's that.

[Bloodwych]

Burseg, I would be honoured if you could create a better wallpaper for the package but I will remove it completely if that’s what you wish. My only excuse is I was using this purely for personal use for several months with no intention of distribution - I only decided to make this thread (and pm the link to the file) at the request of someone who wanted a P96 version. It was at this point when I simply zipped up my setup and added a workbench 3 disk install procedure.

I should have considered the responsibilities that went along with it. I didn't.

It’s entirely my fault and I apologise for editing your work without permission. I’m sure if you were still at the board I would have asked, but that doesn’t excuse the fact that the act can be rightly interpreted as being fundamentally wrong as well as bad manners. For some reason I thought mentioning you in the first post would be enough but I mindlessly underestimated how sensitive you would be. I was wrong to simply neglect the fact that using this wallpaper would cause offence; that’s the original creators decision.

Truth is due to the friendliness of the general Amiga community I think I’ve perhaps become too relaxed in my attitude towards assuming the content (original and edited) in this free package wouldn’t offend anyone. I feel like I’m doing people a service using my free time so why would anyone be unhappy? In my ignorance however I didn’t consider that certain responsibilities and ethics come with distributing anything on the net. In hindsight I can understand your point of view and it’s totally reasonable – I was wrong to assume it’s ok to take liberties with your work, no arguments.

Again, I’m sorry burseg; I can tell by your harsh words you are offended so I’ll go with whatever you decide. :)

[fisken uno]

A) I think the wallpaper is NICE

B) Yes, I already knew Burseg created it

C) Of course you should create a new one for the amazing ClassicWB, Burseg. AND you should get the credits this time :D

Everyone's happy ;)

[oldpx]

@bloodwych
Ok ok, you're so nice that I'm beginning to feel bad ;)
Of course I'll help for a better one, that one was too old anyway. No need to take action about the current one just now. I'll inform you shortly.

[Bloodwych]

Burseg, nah no reason to feel bad I wasn't offended - like I said it was my error and I appreciate why you made those points.

Thanks for being understanding and for the kind offer. I'll make sure I credit you properly this time in the readme text, as outlined in fisk point C) :cheese

[RCK]

I recently noticed the wallpaper section of abime net suddenly stopped openly crediting the designer.Hey welcome back :)

hum, I did not change this code recently. Are you sure there was direct credits in the past ?
I don't remember, but I don't care to add them if you prefer :agree
btw, new 1280*1024 builds would be nice (if you still have the sources) :cool
thx!

[oldpx]

Yep, there were indeed but no big deal, ok maybe a little bit :D
Staying wasn't what I had in my mind but if I'm welcome then I'm sold ;)
/me happy

btw, new 1280*1024 builds would be nice (if you still have the sources)
There'll surely be no problem putting the ones that'll be made for bloodwych's package to be downloaded individually. And I have the "sources" you code head LOL :D

[fisken uno]

Staying wasn't what I had in my mind but if I'm welcome then I'm sold ;)
/me happy

You're always welcome if you ask me ;)

[Mangar]

Welcome back, Burseg! Bring back the "Burseg King" logo.

[oldpx]

Hey Mangar!
I feel more like a madman than a king so you see the appropriate avatar at the moment. ;)

[Djay]

yeah, welcome back burseg...

you gotta do 1280x1024 desktops now, i've got a 17" tft now;)

keep cool, stay in touch

[RCK]

Yep, there were indeed but no big deal, ok maybe a little bit :D
Staying wasn't what I had in my mind but if I'm welcome then I'm sold ;)
/me happyCredit was important and not enough viewable for newbies!
I have added them back to main display :cool
http://www.abime.net/?go=download#wallpapers


There'll surely be no problem putting the ones that'll be made for bloodwych's package to be downloaded individually. And I have the "sources" you code head LOL :DCool !
PM me is you got any new WP to add or update with new resolution :)

[Marcuz]

Buzekia!
welcome back C. :)

[oldpx]

ere are yer toilet paperz!

1600x1200 png/gif
check the zone.:cool

[oldpx]

fixed some stupid things & reuploaded. :p

[fisken uno]

Cool! :cool :great :D :xmas

Just one thing, though... If you're concerned with getting the proper credits etc for these, why don't you just put your signature in the lower corners of the pics or something? Just put Burseg 2004 or something and people will always know you created them...

[oldpx]

Thanks ;) Someone replies at last :p

I always found signing designs improper. It's not an artwork is it? What would happen if people making icons and GUIs signed their stuff :D

[RCK]

They are very nice :)
as I said in our PM, they will be added to the download section of abime.net soon :cool

[fisken uno]

I do most definitely think it's a piece of art. :D

I didn't mean that you should use a font with the biggest size you've got ;) but rather just that you could very well put a small and discreet signature there. But it's entirely up to you, of course. :)

[Bloodwych]

Very nice work burseg, choice of colours too. :cool I love the little slogan - not too overpowering but satisfies our Amiga ego needs. :great

Are these the ones for the ClasicWB P96 as well? If so, I'll have to:


See which colour people prefer as default choice (the rest can still be user choice), considering the current icon colours and theme.
Find a flippin transparent text utility that doesn't cause any other issues with utilities and games. Text on a grey background would ruin your lovely work. As you can see, I sort of cheated with your last wallpaper by adding grey areas where icons are located. :o

[RCK]

http://download.abime.net/ updated !

@Bloodwych: I will be able to tell you which one was most downloaded soon :cool

[Paul]

RCK you have by BobRedthorp on the last one.

[RCK]

fixed :p

[oldpx]

Are these the ones for the ClasicWB P96 as well?Naturally. :)

Just a reminder. It's easy to make color alternatives and other resolution versions.

[Akira]

Burseg, I'm still surprised you're eager to use that horrid boingball thing, after your PPC experience! The Amiga we like has a checkmark isologo ;) Boingball is more "current/PPC amiga" :P

planet miggy ;D

[oldpx]

Boingball means lorraine to me :)
And I wanted to use a common element with the old ones.

[oldpx]

Lower resolution versions are now in the zone and the http://download.abime.net page. :)

[Bloodwych]

Nice, I'll get these integrated as soon as I can.

[Bloodwych]

After a quick cycle through the wallpapers, which one do you prefer?

These are just quick examples I threw together. I'll work more on the appearance once a default wallpaper is selected.

All look good now I've managed to remove the icon text field (thanks burseg ;) ), but my favourite is the first one as it displays the icon text clearly without changing its default black colour.

[Paul]

I also like the 1st one. The 4th one is my second fav :D

[RCK]

1st one

[oldpx]

4th one :D
I like no2 but black icon text isn't readable there humm. :nuts

[BenniP]

Number 2 is my fav.

[oldpx]

Are you sure you want to use those icons?
Glowicons Revolution (http://www.lorraine-design.8m.net/) looks much better.

[Bloodwych]

It’s a big job getting all the icons changed and I’ve already done three different icon versions for real Amiga’s! Like I mentioned in the first post, this is just a quick port of those versions, rather than an AIAB eye candy offering with all the trimmings. I'm not really interested in doing a P96 "upgrading to the max" workbench 3 like AIAB.

Are those icons Newicon friendly, or OS3.5+ only?

I may improve it further, but if people want eye candy, visual prefs, start-menus, other non-classic workbench stuff, then they already have AIAB.

[oldpx]

GI Rev. needs powericons. It's just an exe that should run at startup but adds png icon support.

[Bloodwych]

Ok Burseg, thanks for the info. I have to admit the icons are very impressive.

[Bloodwych]

4th one :D
I like no2 but black icon text isn't readable there humm. :nuts

What if you extended the lighter grey up in order to accommodate 2 rows of icons? The other wallpapers have colours extending up on the left hand side, so it would stay with the theme.

Three votes for the first one, two for the second and one for the forth. Perhaps I should run a vote thread. Once a base wallpaper has been selected, I'll alter all the other colours (windows, popup menu colour etc) in order to blend in. :D

[oldpx]

What happens when you change the icon text color to white?

[Bloodwych]

It's still hard to read, but now on the lighter parts of the wallpaper. I don't want to use a text field as it looks ugly.

[oldpx]

It's fine this way.
But I'll check it if you decide to use this one.

[Bloodwych]

I'll use the first one - it looks pretty awesome when the menu's and windows have been changed to match. It's my favourite, has the most votes and saves me hassling you anymore! :cheese

[fisken uno]

Me likes nr 3 and 4 best :(

[Bloodwych]

Fisken you've messed up the vote system! Everyone likes different wallpapers! :bash

I'm still going to include all of Burseg's fine work, so a few clicks and any of you can use whichever one you want.

In fact you already have the current P96 package Fisk; just download 3&4 and install/colour-coordinate things yourself. :p

[Bloodwych]

With the new lighter background I've been experimenting with different colours on the windows and popup menu. After playing around, I decided simply to lighten the grey and darken the blue. Other colours look a little OTT to me.

Still open to any suggestions. :)

[oldpx]

How about white window borders?

[Frog]

It's still hard to read, but now on the lighter parts of the wallpaper. I don't want to use a text field as it looks ugly.
You can try to use Outline or Shadow in Scalos/Prefs/Icons.

I think you're totally right to keep a "basic" WB that don't need to much CPU ressource. Ppl can update it later.
Personally i add Picasso96 as it speed up a lot display on my old P200.
BTW from what i read in Powericons.readme, it's heavy CPU ressource eating !

Keep up the good work !

[Bloodwych]

Thanks for the suggestion Burseg. White windows certainly does go well with the wallpaper but makes everything a little too bright for my taste. The dark windows contrast well with the lighter background; or perhaps it's just my eyes. I think I'm going to keep the base 8 colours fairly true to the standard ClassicWB's - stays with the classic theme and people can alter them to whatever they want after downloading.

By the way Burseg, should I fully remove the old altered wallpaper from the package, or keep it in the pattern drawer with all the others you've made?

Frog, good suggestion; I'll try out those Scalos options and they might just do the trick. :) P96 certainly does speed things up in emulated workbench for reasons outlined in the first post and that's why I decided to release this version as a kind of base install just as you mentioned.

Thanks for everyone’s input, especially Burseg for the new wallpapers - much appreciated. :great

[oldpx]

By the way Burseg, should I fully remove the old altered wallpaper from the package, or keep it in the pattern drawer with all the others you've made?

I would get rid of it. Never liked it anyway :)
Or include it so that I can have a reason to kill people who prefer it over the new ones. :crazy

[bippym]

I like the wallpaper but I have a couple of suggestions

1).. Change Miggy to Amiga.. Miggy sounds so Cheesy Yeuuk!!!
2). Remove the bar that goes across the screen and passes through the MIGGY word

Otherwise that is wicked :D

[oldpx]

Don't get me wrong but I'm bored of the word "Amiga"! It's everywhere :D

[Bloodwych]

And I'm certainly not editing it!

Burseg will have my head delivered to his front door! :laughing

[bippym]

Yes it is everywhere but it is an Amiga after all... Do something else, maybe it is me but personally I hate the word Miggy (Unless being used in a general conversation!)

How about something else?

[oldpx]

I'm working on something else at the moment. Remind me later and I'll try a Planet Bippy version ;)

[bippym]

Lol Wicked :D

[RetroMan]

How about some C= Sign instead of a name like "Miggy" or "Amiga" ;) :D

[Akira]

How about just the booloody checkmark icon! Im sick of the boing(puke)ball

[oldpx]

All feedback is taken into consideration.
According to this, a future edition will be made with the Galatasaray emblem :D

http://www.galatasaray.com/images/haber/2001/small_temp.jpg

[fisken uno]

How about a giant ass with a checkmark tattoo on it? ;) :p

[Bloodwych]

:laughing Well when you lot are all fighting for Burseg wallpaper releases I've gone ahead and updated the first post with the new look P96 ClassicWB. That old wallpaper is now dead Burseg. :D

I vote for one with a HUGE England flag containing a classic tick, old school C= logo, the newer boing ball and bloodwych theme in each corner. :cheese

Seriously, some more releases in the future would be nice based on the older school ticks and C=. They are Classic Amiga symbols after all. Plus a purple theme based on the WB 3.0 ROM screen would go great with the current icons.

Totally pleased with the current new brighter look however - seems fresh and niggles aside, everyone has to admit the wallpapers look good. :)