Pinball fantasies.

[whiteb]

hi all,

I have just been looking at the disk scans of pinball fantasies, and noticed that that version was copyright 1993, and had stick on disk labels.

I have a 4 disk version (original), copyright 1992, but the disk doesnt have stuck on labels, it has the writing printed directly to the disk.

I am thinking like... Different version here ? (1 PAL disk and 3 course disks)

Want me to scan them ? cos mine look better than the stuck on labels.. :cheese

I really got to get my A500 reassembled from the move 6 months ago and get caps'ing again.

[pcGTW_Webmaster]

Are we talking about the OCS version ? The scans are from the version released in Germany. (I'm sure, because I've dumped and scanned it ;))

// edit
and noticed that that version was copyright 1993
Where ? :confused

[MethodGit]

I'm no experienced CAPS scanner/dumper myself, but I believe whiteb could be thinking of the AGA edition. ;)

[whiteb]

Originally posted by MethodGit
I'm no experienced CAPS scanner/dumper myself, but I believe whiteb could be thinking of the AGA edition. ;)

No, These run on my A500, OCS chipset version, PAL, purchased in the UK.

[whiteb]

Originally posted by WindowsKiller
Are we talking about the OCS version ? The scans are from the version released in Germany. (I'm sure, because I've dumped and scanned it ;))

// edit

Where ? :confused

copyright 1992 is whats printed on MY disks, yours are copyright 1992 aswell... i went slightly insane I think.

but mine still dont have the sticky label.

[Hammy]

Originally posted by whiteb
copyright 1992 is whats printed on MY disks, yours are copyright 1992 aswell... i went slightly insane I think.

but mine still dont have the sticky label.

you have the same version as me, it works on aga and ocs.

[whiteb]

Originally posted by Hammy
you have the same version as me, it works on aga and ocs.

Yes but the game is coded OCS only, it will run on AGA machines like A1200 but the AGA version is recommended for an A1200.

[fiath]

I think the manuals to these two version are the same? If everything else is the same, and the disks look better, I have no problems replacing the disk scans - just as long as the rest of the package is the same...

[pcGTW_Webmaster]

If his version really has 3 course disks, the manual cannot be the same. ;)

[whiteb]

Originally posted by fiath
I think the manuals to these two version are the same? If everything else is the same, and the disks look better, I have no problems replacing the disk scans - just as long as the rest of the package is the same...

The manual appears to be the same, I cant see any difference.

[pcGTW_Webmaster]

But 3 course disks would mean 6 tables... Maybe it's a budget version or a re-release ?

Here are all informations about my version:
http://www.german-amiga-emu-board.de/MyCollection/index.php?gameid=17

[whiteb]

Originally posted by WindowsKiller
But 3 course disks would mean 6 tables... Maybe it's a budget version or a re-release ?

Here are all informations about my version:
http://www.german-amiga-emu-board.de/MyCollection/index.php?gameid=17

I dont have the box any more :( only had limited space when I emigrated from the UK to Australia back in 1990 :( But the box was the same as yours from memory.

You judge for yourselves.

www.iinet.net.au/~aimee/pinballfantasies.jpg

[MethodGit]

Have you played this 4-disk version lately? What are the extra tables on there? :shocked

[pcGTW_Webmaster]

I know that the third course disk was (also?) sold separately. So I guess it does not really belong to the other disks. That would explain why the manual covers only four tables.

[whiteb]

Originally posted by WindowsKiller
I know that the third course disk was (also?) sold separately. So I guess it does not really belong to the other disks. That would explain why the manual covers only four tables.

Nup, came in the box that way.

I may not have the box anymore, but I do remember if I bought the disks seperately or not. And in this case....... the 4 disks (Pal disk and 3 course) are what was sold to me in the one pack. This also suggests to me that I should get my A500 assembled again (with A530) and image them up so Fiath can settle this once and for all. :) My feeling about this, is that there are only 4 courses on the disks, (I can only vaguely remember playing 4 courses) and it has different disk layout than yours.....

In any event, I am gonna have to speed up the assembling of my A500 and image them.

[edit] GOCHA !!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHDLOAD install download site has the installer info file linked.... and in the file it says..

This patch applies to:
- Pinball Fantasies ECS (c) 1992 21st Century Entertainment (4 disk version)
- Pinball Fantasies AGA (c) 1994 21st Century Entertainment (4 disk version)
- Pinball Fantasies CD³² (c) 1994 21st Century Entertainment (CD-ROM version)


*I WIN !!!!!!!!!*

[pcGTW_Webmaster]

Originally posted by whiteb
*I WIN !!!!!!!!!*
hehe... no problem. :D So my version seems to be rare if not even WHDLoad supports the 3-disk-version. :)

[Duke]

I have a 3 disk version too (bought original years ago). It has the text printed directly on the disk (identical to the scan from whiteb).

Course Disk 3 must be 2 addional 2 tables then :)

[whiteb]

Fiath, To close this thread once and for all, My A1200 is set up but hates to load it, loads all of PAL disk and asks for course disk 2, but goes no further.

So I booted good ole A500, and...... with the four disks, course disk 1 and 2 indeed have the 4 tables. When the game asks for "Any course disk" in 1 drive mode and I stick the 3rd course disk in the drive, it reads it but goes back to asking for "Any course disk". So i have no idea what the extra disk is for.. but very soon I will image the disks up and you can see whats on it.

[edit] I seem to remember playing with the WHDLOAD installer a long time ago and the finished result coming out with only 3 WHDLOAD images.... so maybe thye extra disk is UNUSED after all.

[fiath]

Could be. Don't forget that both are preserved anyway:

http://www.caps-project.org/games.php?search=fantasies

A different disk format, allowing them to squeze it onto 3 disks instead of 4 sounds very plausible. We have certainly seen it before. But I can't check right now.

Or, I suppose it could have been provided just to save hiscores...

[whiteb]

Originally posted by fiath
Could be. Don't forget that both are preserved anyway:

http://www.caps-project.org/games.php?search=fantasies

A different disk format, allowing them to squeze it onto 3 disks instead of 4 sounds very plausible. We have certainly seen it before. But I can't check right now.

Or, I suppose it could have been provided just to save hiscores...

Plausible, but CAPS says that 3 disk is OCS, 4 disk is AGA... where as I got a 4 disk version of OCS, on the A1200 it wouldnt load, got as far as "Insert Course Disk 2", instead of "Insert ANY Course disk", where as on the A500 it loaded 100% good (Cept for the course disk 3.

[edit] Fiath, whats the latest CAPS dumping disk ? I got Version 1.5, 06 March 2003 according to the accompanying HTML.

[fiath]

Ah, sorry, I missed that chipset info. Doh.

Version 1.5?? The latest version of the dumping disk is 1.3 (in the header of each screen).

Ahh, hand on, I think you mean the version in the intructions. Hmm, I see how that can be confusing. Version 1.5 refers to the version of that document, not of the dumping disk itself.

I suspect you have the latest version. It doesn't change much anyway. There has only been one functional change since the first release 2 years ago - and that was mostly to solve problems generated by certain hardware on big-box Amiga's.

[whiteb]

Ok, sounds good...

What I might do is just hammer away and image as many as i can (1GIG SCSI on my A500) and take my time uploading them, what with other commitments commonly known as life :laughing .

Oh and on another matter, what was the filename for JetSetWilly ?, I seem to remember downloading it from an email, but I cant find it in my amiga download directory :eek

Cheers.

[Critter]

digital illusions has a reputation for losing course disks

*cough* benefactor *cough*

:nervous

[whiteb]

Fiath,

Pinball fantasies, 4 disk ECS version uploaded along with the 4 disks scanned, in their respective places on the site.

[fiath]

Cool, thanks!

[fiath]

Resolved! :)

IFW had a look at it. Now - after him peeking through the game a bit...

Course disk 3 is genuine and contains all the tables for 512k machines. Files and the disk itself is called "LAME" for some reason on its directory data :)

Seems this version was removed from most distributions and the game labelled 1meg only.

Luckily it is unmodified (I guess since you couldn't run it whiteb ;) ). The rest of the disks are exactly the same with the other (possibly later) version.

Hurrah!

[MethodGit]

Sweeeeet! :) Great to discover a previously not-known-to-exist majorly different version of this top game all of a sudden.

[fiath]

Its not a different version. It is just that disk, which allows the game to be played on 512Kb machines. Though I guess this does mean the game will differ slightly using that config.

[whiteb]

Oh wow, I upload the images and ........ wow.

I got a rare one :)

[fiath]

This is now available as an IPF. Just one question. Can you tell me what it says on the disk, is it really just "Course3" or is it "CourseDisk3" or something...

I'll let you have it as soon as I know ;)

[pcGTW_Webmaster]

@fiath:

http://www.iinet.net.au/~aimee/pinballfantasies.jpg

;)

[whiteb]

Originally posted by fiath
This is now available as an IPF. Just one question. Can you tell me what it says on the disk, is it really just "Course3" or is it "CourseDisk3" or something...

I'll let you have it as soon as I know ;)

@Fiath

I thought I uploaded the disk scans to submissions ?

Oh well I'll do it again. :)

[edit] yerp, go to submissions, in my directory look for "Pinball fantasies 4 disk ECS" directory.

Those on my webspace, are size reduced for space saving but there to give you an example.
The uploaded scans are the usual 300DPI color non reduced PNG scans.

My current project is slowly working through "Super space invaders manuals (2), comprising of english, frence, German in the manual, and the english only levels guide.

[fiath]

Oops, yes, thanks - I forgot about those. :)

Okay, note that this course disk has been added to the ID 25 set because all the other disks are exactly the same. i.e. is is not a "new" release.

Number of disks for that game has been updated appropriately.

[pcGTW_Webmaster]

Originally posted by fiath
Okay, note that this course disk has been added to the ID 25 set because all the other disks are exactly the same. i.e. is is not a "new" release.
Hopefully I'll get an email from CAPS soon. :cheese

[andreas]

Originally posted by fiath
Its not a different version. It is just that disk, which allows the game to be played on 512Kb machines.

WOW!
This means...

Pinball Fantasies could even run on my A1000!!

This is fantastic guys! :great

[whiteb]

Originally posted by andreas
WOW!
This means...

Pinball Fantasies could even run on my A1000!!

This is fantastic guys! :great

I am still waiting for my email :P

[fiath]

Gimme a chance! ;)

[whiteb]

Poor Fiath and his dialup modem...... and just to make it fry again, I am uploading the manuals to Super Space Invaders (only getting 6K a sec up) :(

86MB.

1 manual and 1 inside guide.

Mostly greyscale cept for the covers. Has your modem recovered yet from the Projectyle poster yet ???? :laughing

[whiteb]

Originally posted by andreas
WOW!
This means...

Pinball Fantasies could even run on my A1000!!

This is fantastic guys! :great

Hi Andreas,

Just got the course disk 3 IPF......

Ran Winuae in a A1000 type setup. (68000, 512K of ram, OCS) only with boot disk and course disk 3, and it still asks for "Insert any course disk"..... so I dont know what the hell its for

It *DID NOT* display the "Extra ram located" screen that 1MB+ users get. (cos the "amiga" only had 512k).

:confused :confused :confused

[pcGTW_Webmaster]

That's my question, too! How to use this disk ? :confused

Maybe that's why they removed the 3rd Course Disk later, it doesn't work... :p

[fiath]

It does work, since IFW tested it.

A stab in the dark: have you tried booting from it?

I can't test it right now, but I will find out...

[pcGTW_Webmaster]

A stab in the dark: have you tried booting from it?
Yes, but all I got was a GURU...

[fiath]

Got a response, here you go:

1, Insert any course (not #3) disk when asked. Table description data is stored on them, not #3
2, Select your table.
3, The game will ask for the 3rd disk.
4, enjoy the "lame" version of the game ;)

[whiteb]

Originally posted by fiath
Got a response, here you go:

1, Insert any course (not #3) disk when asked. Table description data is stored on them, not #3
2, Select your table.
3, The game will ask for the 3rd disk.
4, enjoy the "lame" version of the game ;)

errrrrrrrrrrrr, ............ ok.

Boring indeed, no flippin sound
:sad

Oh well at least we can now definately conclude Pinball Fantasies is truely dumped. Including the course disk 3 :cheese

I am off to look for a game with a big manual to help Fiath's modem melt :laughing

[Adeptus]

Originally posted by whiteb
I am off to look for a game with a big manual to help Fiath's modem melt :laughing
Ooh! Ooh! I can send you some! :D

[whiteb]

Originally posted by Adeptus
Ooh! Ooh! I can send you some! :D

Nah, its Fiath's modem I want to melt, Not mine. :P

That reminds me, I gotta finish renaming your images and upload them.....

/me looks at fiath. :D :D :D

[andreas]

Hey guys!

Just found another 4-disk version of Pinball Fantasies on CD! :D

And hell yeah, it does work on WinUAE!
I used cycle-exact (to be safe in case ...) and 512K chip mem and an A500 config!

@whiteb: try *THIS* version on your Miggy! :D

[andreas]

In cold print....:)

I think I'd NEVER ever found out how to handle this on an A1000 if you hadn't told me to first insert disk 2 or 3! :p

[fiath]

Yeah, it is not exactly intuative is it... ;)

[andreas]

not really :D