HQC Kickstart 1.2 (cracked kickstart)

[T_hairy_bootson]

Recently unpacked my old A1000

I've got original kickstarts 1.1 and 1.3 and a HQC cracked version of 1.2 which allows you to do some extra stuff.

I'ts got a virus detector and killer and pressing F10 brings up a copy program, also the rolling crackers message at the start says i can bring up a quick version of workbench but i never got this to work. and pressing one of the mouse buttons swaps drives.

does anyone know of any other special kickstart disks (cracked or otherwise)? also is it possible to get a 2.0 kickstart disk for the A1000?

[Mojo]

kickstarts? do you mean workbench? ?to my knowledge kickstart are the amiga 'bios' ROM(s) (two of them).

[fisken uno]

Correct, Mojo. But there were actually disks that allowed you to boot with kick 1.3 on 3.1 systems etc. My guess would be that this is what he means with 'cracked' kickstart. Or am I wrong?

EDIT: Hmm, I might actually be wrong... Do you mean that the hardware is modified/"cracked"!?

[T_hairy_bootson]

Originally posted by Mojo
kickstarts? do you mean workbench? ?to my knowledge kickstart are the amiga 'bios' ROM(s) (two of them).

the Amiga 1000 needed to be booted with kickstart disks because the kickstart rom was not stored on a chip inside the computer. Once you loaded a kickstart you didnt need to do it again until you turned off the amiga and switched it back on again.

[fisken uno]

Ah, yes I recall that I've seen such kickstart disks. Now that you mention them.

[pcGTW_Webmaster]

Originally posted by T_hairy_bootson
does anyone know of any other special kickstart disks (cracked or otherwise)?
There's also a hacked kickstart disk from LEVEL42 and there are a lot of kickstart disks with different anti-virus programs built in. Nothing really special however...

[mtb]

Originally posted by T_hairy_bootson
also is it possible to get a 2.0 kickstart disk for the A1000?

If you have some extra ram you can softkick it. The kickstart rom will be used from ram, since 2.0+ roms are 512 kb and they can't fit in the 256 kb normally used for ks 1.3.

[T_hairy_bootson]

Originally posted by WindowsKiller
There's also a hacked kickstart disk from LEVEL42 and there are a lot of kickstart disks with different anti-virus programs built in. Nothing really special however...

yeah i found that one just today its a shame its in German

Originally posted by mtb
If you have some extra ram you can softkick it. The kickstart rom will be used from ram, since 2.0+ roms are 512 kb and they can't fit in the 256 kb normally used for ks 1.3.

I think ive only got a meg not counting the 256 put aside for kickstart. My wb 1.3 says i have 1309488 free memory, would that be enough??

[mtb]

I think you have 1.5 mb if the free mem is 1309000, don't you? It's enought even for 3.1, but you will have something like 800 kb free.

[adolescent]

I don't think you can get a KS 2.0 on floppy. Actually, there is a Super Kickstart 2.x on floppy for bootstrapped Amiga 3000's, but that's not likely to work. But, you should be able to kick the A1000 up to 2.05 with the KickTools.lha package from Aminet (util/misc).

[andreas]

HUH?!?

Don't think before you can PROVE! ;)

In fact it is possible to put a KS 2.04 ROM (512K) on an 880 KB disk! I even managed to put some (PP-crunched) tools on the disk and made it boot *INTO* KS 2.04!
Was sorta 4 hours of work - but I love my softkicker disk!
(If I ever get a golem box again with non-corrupt RAM, even more!)

Well, I found the RAM on my golem box to be FUCKED - bah! :mad:mad
Wasn't stable, this means it was sort of "self-modifying RAM" (:D), so CRC32 of the KS ROM in RAM was always different, although I didn't modify any data! Made the whole machine crash after a short while, of course. :(

NOTE: Please do NOT ask me to upload this disk to the zone, you know why I can't.

[T_hairy_bootson]

whats a Golem box precious??

[pcGTW_Webmaster]

Was sorta 4 hours of work - but I love my softkicker disk!
4 hours ? :confused I can make one in less than 5 minutes, you only need two files... Also, softkick disks which boots into Kickstart 2.x are already available. The one from FairLight for example.

However, softkicking was already mentioned and it will work on any Amiga with enough ram, of course.

[T_hairy_bootson]

sofkicking gotta give it a try

[DrBong]

I don't think you can get a KS 2.0 on floppy.

Well, I got a disk here somewhere from the scene days that loads KS 2.0. It doesn't seem to be a cracker's release, so it could be an autobooting softkicker disk that someone knocked up. IIRC it will work on an A1000 that has an older kickstart in rom, but not on an A1000 that needs kickstart loaded off floppy. Could be wrong, though, as it's been a long while since I've used the disk.

[andreas]

Originally posted by WindowsKiller
4 hours ? :confused I can make one in less than 5 minutes, you only need two files...

Don't shoot too quick.

- grubbing together all those tools, and selecting the ones I want to keep on the disk ( + researching work)
- tried THREE softkicker tools from aminet with various options
(about 15-20 reboots)
- tried different 2.0x kickstarts because I thought one of the tools only accepts an original Commodore one with softkicker abilities
[until I got the info that this should work with "ordinary" KS, too]

Remember my RAM was FUCKED and I didn't know it until I eventually crammed this CRC checker on my disk. BEFORE that period of time, I had to think of each and every possibility what could cause the crashes! This took at least about 2 1/2 hours, checking out all those possibilities and combinations / command-line options.
You don't get these clues in the very first five minutes, maybe you do, but "ordinary" people don't, mind you. ;)

The whole procedure of experimenting was 4 hours, the "netto" time for building the disk maybe at most 30 minutes.

Also, softkick disks which boots into Kickstart 2.x are already available. The one from FairLight for example.
Well I'm on it - trying to get a golem, then we'll see :)

@T-hairy-bootson::
A golem is a memory expansion box for the A1000 made by former German company Kupke (+ 2 MB RAM), mounted sidecar-wise.

[T_hairy_bootson]

Originally posted by andreas
A golem is a memory expansion box for the A1000 made by former German company Kupke (+ 2 MB RAM), mounted sidecar-wise.

I think thats what I have, don't know if its German it has a cheap switch on the front side and its in a cream metal box. I always thought it was 1 meg. but now I'm thinking its 1.5 meg see above posts re: WB memory

I still have no idea how to go about making a softkick disk...
guess I am ordinary..lol

[T_hairy_bootson]

http://www.amiga-hardware.com/gokemmegabit.html

nope mine looks a little different no piggyback slot either

[adolescent]

Originally posted by andreas
HUH?!?

Don't think before you can PROVE! ;)

I was refering to A1000 Kickstart disks, not a rom file and a soft kicker.

[andreas]

OK no offense :D

BLOODY English language! :lol


"I don't think you can get a 2.0 kickstart on floppy"

a) "capacity-wise, it's not possible to fit a 2.0 kickstart on the disk"

b) "it's not possible to obtain a 2.0 kickstart on floppy for the A1000, because it's not available"

hehe
it's that diabolical verb "get" used for each and every thing :p

[TjLaZer]

I have been looking for these HQC Kick disks for ages! Anyone have them???

[TjLaZer]

Nevermind I finally got them. Also I don't know what the big deal is on this, it is a Kickstart disk that is cracked. But as you know the Amiga 1000 computer came with Kickstart 1.1/1.2 originally, and without it you cannot use it. Not sure why it is shunned trying to upload this in the Zone. Every other commercial app/game is passed on here, why not Kickstart 1.2? It's not like we are passing Kickstart 3.1 around or anything. Also what is the difference between this and say a game from Activision?

Recardless I am stoked as I finally have the disks! Been seaching for them for 20 years almosts to the day. It was 1987 and I had seen the advert in some HQC cracktro and I wanted it! Trouble was I was the only A1000 owner at the time, everyone else had a A500 (and did not need the disk)

[Graham Humphrey]

We're not allowed to upload any Kickstart at all, at the risk of getting in trouble from Amiga Inc and/or Cloanto, who have the licence for the ROMs and sell them with Amiga Forever.

Games are different as 99% of them you can't buy brand new anymore - the ones that are still being sold can't be uploaded either.

[TjLaZer]

Well I got to try out the HQC Kickstart and it seems to not work very well on my A1000. Not sure if it needs a PAL A1000 or not but the demo intro has some jerkyness but it does work, pressing LMB and the Kick 1.2 screen comes up as normal. But when I try to load a disk it gets to the blue DOS screen and locks up. Anyone else try this?

[thor]

Both HQC and Level 42 Kickstart 1.2 open a PAL sized CLI window, therefore don't continue loading when you insert a disk. You need to patch the height back to 200 (search for CON:0/0/640/, HQC is 256 height, L42 is 250) and recalculate the checksum (at least that would be the steps for the ROM version, Kickdisk should be similiar).


Does someone know if there are other patched Kickstarts besides HQC and Level 42 1.2? Of course I'm not requesting those, hopefully talk about them is allowed. :xmas It seems there is a patched Kickstart 1.3 by United Forces, any other releases and if yes with what changes?

[Doc]

Both HQC and Level 42 Kickstart 1.2 open a PAL sized CLI window, therefore don't continue loading when you insert a disk. You need to patch the height back to 200 (search for CON:0/0/640/, HQC is 256 height, L42 is 250) and recalculate the checksum (at least that would be the steps for the ROM version, Kickdisk should be similiar).


Does someone know if there are other patched Kickstarts besides HQC and Level 42 1.2? Of course I'm not requesting those, hopefully talk about them is allowed. :xmas It seems there is a patched Kickstart 1.3 by United Forces, any other releases and if yes with what changes?


I've seen (and luckily I have them too): HQC (High quality crackings) Kick 1.2 and 1.3,
Level42 Kick 1.2, UFO (United Forces) Kick 1.2 and 1.3, Guardian Kick 1.3 (with Leonardo Fei's Guardian prog included) and some modified Kick 1.2 for use with no autoconfig RAM

I dont know exactly right now but as far as I remeber the HQC has a copier included (F9 or so) and the UFO versions support booting from df1:, df2:, df3: instead of df0: (soft boot drive switch) and also support to allocate all fast ram and invoke a reset so very old and incompatible progs will run.

Some of them also have some kind of virus protection included (Byte Bandit and SCA mainly, maybe also Byte warrior).

If somebody knows more please feel free to write.

Doc

ps: I had to recreate my account here, for some unknown reasons my old one got lost :(

[TjLaZer]

Doc, please send me a PM!