Desert Dream hidden parts

[trance007]

Hi,

Does anybody know how to reach the 2nd hidden part of the wonderfull demo ?

I discovered the first one, by booting on second disk with mouse and joystick button pressed, but I never find the 2nd one.

I have the MOD file from this part, found somewhere on the net, this is a nice little chip tune, but I never see the demo itself.

Any info welcome. :)

[trance007]

Hi,

I aksed Laxity himself, and here his answer :
Hi again,

I regret to say that I am unsure exactly how to get to the second part. As
far as I remember, you get to the second part _thru_ the first hidden part...
meaning that if you press something (maybe mouse or keyboard), you might be
able to get to the second part...

Good luck!
Anders Emil

I made some try, but did'nt succeed, so, if anybody find the way, please, let me know. :D :D

[mtb]

Originally posted by trance007
Hi,

Does anybody know how to reach the 2nd hidden part of the wonderfull demo ?

I discovered the first one, by booting on second disk with mouse and joystick button pressed, but I never find the 2nd one.

I have the MOD file from this part, found somewhere on the net, this is a nice little chip tune, but I never see the demo itself.

Any info welcome. :)

I was looking for them too :D.

So you have found the first one, but for what i know ( i read it in a message from the kefrens aga first (?) demo ) the first part should be one the first disk and the second on a disk called minidemo dane.

[trance007]

Hi,

I just contacted the guy that ripped the Desert Dream modules some years ago (including the small one you can't hear in the demo).
He didn't know as he used a disc ripper to do this job, but he asked to Vention, the author of the _first_ hidden part.

Here is the Vention reply :Hi.

This seems to be chasing me through my life, at times I wonder why I didn't
just omit that string of text. :)

Here's what happened, that might explain it fully:
We only had one hidden part for Desert Dream. It was done by me before the
party and sent to hawkeye (pretty much all of kefrens would assemble at his
place, and leave together for the Gathering). But the disc with the hidden
part never arrived. So instead I went to hawkeye and eventually to the party
place. At the gathering I was code on the hidden part and helping Airwalk
out with some of his intros (he made quite a few). And we decided to put one
of these into DD. The trigger was put in my hidden part and for a while you
could access Airwalk's hidden part. Except that it didn't work. At all. So
at last we decided not to fix it, but just leaving the data on the disc. If
they're intact nobody knows. In theory its possible to locate the datas and
run the code. Given you know where to load it etc. But. Its a long shot. If
anyone still has the code is hard to say.
So, now my last hope is to find an experienced coder / cracker to have a chance to look at this hidden part. :sad

I hope somebody will be able to help.

[MajicMushroom]

heh That's really weird that Laxity himself and Vention didn't know. I must admit that I have definitely seen 2 hidden parts for this demo but it's such a long time ago now I cannot remember!

I know, that's a lot of help... heh :)

So, I'd say that there are definitely 2 accessible hidden parts to the demo....

[trance007]

Hi,

When I was investigating for this second hidden part, I forget to mention the anwser of Airwalk :
I can't remember how to launch that "next hidden part", however I'm sure it's there coz as far as i remember I coded it. It must have been one of my very first releases as a programmer. Just think of it, ten years have past.. Those were the days..

Anyway, thank you for the flash back :)

Jesper Knudsen

Well, this is just to add to the confusion. :crazy

So, to summarize :
- Hidden part 1 is located on second disk of Desert Dream (accessed by booting the disk with mouse and joystick button pressed)
- Laxity thinks you get to the second part thru the first hidden part, but can't exactly remember how.
- Vention remember they included the hidden part 2 on the disc and put the trigger into the hidden part 1, but the trigger didn't work and was not fixed.
- Airwalk remember he coded hidden part 2 and is sure it's included on the disc.

Now, here is what can be read on the Kefrens first AGA Demo : "The Galemands-Intro" : (available HERE (http://main.aminet.net/demo/aga/KefrensAGA.dms))
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/5483/kefrensaga0019te.th.gif (http://img521.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kefrensaga0019te.gif) http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/1388/kefrensaga0025gv.th.gif (http://img157.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kefrensaga0025gv.gif) http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/9813/kefrensaga0038az.th.gif (http://img489.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kefrensaga0038az.gif) http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/6057/kefrensagadesertdreamcomment4y.th.gif (http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kefrensagadesertdreamcomment4y.gif)

So, the second hidden part could actually be spread over 2 demos ?
50% on the Desert Dream disk 1
50% on the "D.A.N.E." demo (available HERE (http://de5.aminet.net/demo/mega/kefdane.dms))

How the hell could you launch this hidden part, then ?

We asked Vention about this, and he said roughly:
"This piece of text must be written by someone, who thought he knew a real cool story ...
D.A.N.E. was made in a real great hurry and there was no place left on the disk for other code ..."
But if you look at the "D.A.N.E." credits, you will see ... "Code by Vention".

Still hoping for a solution.

Any help welcome. :shocked

[Melroc]

He he...

This all reminds me of the mystical chainsaw in Maniac Mansion...

:crazy :bash

[Vention]

Hello. :)

I was searching for something and found this by pure chance (thank google)..

To clear this mess up:

* There are two hidden parts on disc 2 of Desert Dream.
* Part two simply would not work when triggered, so the trigger was removed
* Part two is STILL on disc 2. Trouble is that nobody knows how much is left. If I remember correctly then part 2 would be right after part 1 on the disc. But as DD was still being made, its quite possible that some of it has been overwritten.
* (EDIT) Part two was REALLY hard to find, you had to press a couple of keys during a text fade out in part 1. So chances are nobody ever would have found it. Except if they looked at the code ofcourse. ;-)

I think I still have the code for this somewhere hidden away. But its a long shot finding it.. I can say that part 2 is amazingly funny and VERY much an Airwalk production.

A bit of sad news though. The A600HD on which much of both DD and the hidden part was made died 6 months ago.. cry..

Best regards to all of you..
Martin Gram (Vention / CNCD & Polka Brothers & Kefrens)

[alexh]

If it was the hard drive that blew up, I work for a company which designs (amongst other things) hard drive controllers. If you have not already thrown the drive away I offer my services/contacts to recover as much data from it as possible for free.

[Vention]

I work for a company which designs (amongst other things) hard drive controllers.

If you have not already thrown the drive away I offer my services/contacts to recover as much data from it as possible for free.

Drive still works! :D I think it was agnus that went for a long long walk.

[Dizzy]

Hi and welcome Vention

Sound like interesting info :D

[Zack]

As your HD still works, I could donate a working A600 motherboard to you (only have defective sound) or perhaps help you with transferring the HD to a CD/DVD though WinUAE or something? I live in Valby, so that should be relatively close to you :-) Just let me know.

Best regards,
Jacob

[Vention]

I went out and got myself an IDE cable so I can hook it up to my pc. So all is well. It was great though, I had just bought several PCM netcards for the A600 because I was going to test something Kalms / TBL had made.

Guess that will have to wait. :)

[StingRay]

Wow, Kalms made something that runs on 68000? Interesting! :)

[VermillioN]

On the Mindcandy 2 DVD the commentary mentions holding both amiga keys, both mouse buttons and fire.. as to which hidden part this invokes I'm not sure.

[DH]

I think it is time to resurrect this thread :)

Just over two years have passed (or 16 years for Desert Dream) and it looks like no-one has been able to find this 2nd hidden part :( Judging by what is written above, it's going to be very difficult to find out what is true and what is myth.

I have tried repeatedly with different combinations etc. to find this 2nd hidden part, and have not stumbled across it.

Maybe someone who knows what to look for can have a look at the code and either rip the hidden part off and make it an .exe or tell us if it's still there in its entirety and how to access it :)

It would be so cool if someone could just have a look to let us know if it's worth pursuing the 2nd hidden part.

As mentioned earlier in the thread I also found this at http://bitworld.bitfellas.org/demo.php?id=9599

Well, it seems like nobody have been able to find the second hidden part in Desert Dream, right!?.
For the interested phreaks i can reval, that half of the part is located
on D.D disk1. And the other half is located in the minidemo D.A.N.E. Nothing Is Impossible here!.

If this is true, then maybe a coder could look at both demo's to see what needs to be done :crazy

[Akira]

I have tried repeatedly with different combinations etc. to find this 2nd hidden part, and have not stumbled across it.
Vention said it himself above: the trigger has been REMOVED because it didn't work, so the only way to access this part is by poking through the code, IF it is present at all and not overwritten by other newer DD code.

[extralife]

What Akira said and Vention "himself", it "does" not exist, I heard talk about some of the code even was supposed to be on "Dane" and some on the DD and that in combination those would unlock it LOL, I also heard talk, that the first part in the "extra" demo was the 1. hidden part and that the chessboard with the greets was the 2nd, who knows ? hell if even vention himself doesn't, I wouldn't hold my breath, guess it's one of those secret pyramid thingies that we will never unraveled...........on a side note, if it did exist, i'm quite sure someone as skilled as stingray or galahad even, would have dugg out some clues by now ,so imho I think its a hoax :D

[DH]

Vention said it himself above: the trigger has been REMOVED because it didn't work, so the only way to access this part is by poking through the code, IF it is present at all and not overwritten by other newer DD code.

Mostly everything mentioned above in my earlier post was done before I found this thread and I was just speaking of my actual efforts prior to reading it. Believe me, I tried 16 years ago and I've just stopped trying :crazy

As Vention coded the hidden parts, can anyone contact him to see if he can rip the code off and create an .exe of it, if it is there.

Maybe It's not worth it, but curiosity of mine and probably others too, would love to see it if it can be done. Come on, we have waited over 16 years for this and surely someone can tell us whether it's worth it or not.

[extralife]

well a minute after i wrote above i saw this was the post i discovered some of those rumours :D and on top of that I saw vention saying he actually was in possesion of the source ?!?!? on his a600, hmmm, maybe try mailing at the new kefrens homepage or polka bro's (cant remember if he moved to da mighty polka back then ;)) We could even shout for him on ADA aswell, since him stopping by here, might indicate he is having a peek once in awhile into the old amigascene :)

[DH]

An e-mail has already been sent to the awesome pyramids on the net :D as Mellica, Metallion and Razmo seem to be in contact with him :)

Maybe someone will eventually shed some light onto this 16 year mystery ;) and if I get any word back I'll post right back here :)

btw. Apparently the mod from the 2nd hidden part was ripped off the Desert Dream disk, which one I can't say, but then again, that's if it's true :)

Here's the info off the mod

[Akira]

As Vention coded the hidden parts, can anyone contact him to see if he can rip the code off and create an .exe of it, if it is there.

Are you reading this thread? :P
Vention has the harddrive with the source but probably slept on it.
The mod was extracted from the disk because as -Vention said above-, the data for that hidden part IS in some form INSIDE the demo disks. But It was -deactivated- and -maybe overwritten-.

Sheesh guys, do read what has been posted before. All you need to do is poke Vention and see what he has done with his hard drive.

[extralife]

hey akira this thread is as old as the hidden part itself and we are all starting to sleep on it aswell :D anyways, i posted a mail to mellica aswell in danish, asking for some lifesign of vention too, this could be interesting if he showed up and would let people have a peek at what he slept on lol, who knows he might have more interesting stuff on that old harddrive of his :D

[DH]

Are you reading this thread? :P
Vention has the harddrive with the source but probably slept on it.
The mod was extracted from the disk because as -Vention said above-, the data for that hidden part IS in some form INSIDE the demo disks. But It was -deactivated- and -maybe overwritten-.

Sheesh guys, do read what has been posted before. All you need to do is poke Vention and see what he has done with his hard drive.

Yes I do Akira 'n' keep your hair on.

Vention does not speak for all of the many members of the Kefrens team, and I doubt he was the only one who had the code either. So maybe someone else has it and all I'm doing is trying other possibilities :p

You know Akira, I can do without someone making me look like a total idiot. Have you investigated anything before? You certainly don't rely on the first thing that you here. There also seems to be some uncertainty regarding this 2nd part, so if you want to help, then help, otherwise leave me to investigate it by myself :p

[Akira]

I think you are just overlooking what has already been posted and am saving you valuable time, but if you want to reinvent the wheel, be my guest.

The hidden part will probably be pants anyway :D

[DH]

Ok Akira, you win. I certainly don't want to reinvent the wheel ;) I think it's just curiosity of mine that's getting the better of me and you're probably right that the 2nd hidden part may be pants, but hey, we'll never know so the mystery of the Pyramids will forever be a secret :D

[extralife]

all right demonhellraiser, this is ventions email adress, just got a mail from mellica confirming it, so go ahead and wake him up :D
martin_ja_gram@hotmail.com

[DH]

Nice on extralife :great

Hope he doesn't mind me poking him about it but I think he has probably said everything we need to know about it here in this thread. Still it won't hurt to try ;)

How the hell did you get a reply from mellica, he never replied to me :( Maybe you know him + you sent him an email in his native language, whereas I couldn't ;)

[extralife]

I don't know him and let me tell u I was quite surprised when I checked my email :D

[DH]

Well, Vention has replied :)

He's said he has not looked into it at all and all of his Amiga's are in fully working order. None of his machines are currently connected though, and Vention says he's not really in the mood to set them up :sad

As mentioned earlier, he says:- I think the chances of ever getting the 2nd hidden part to run are slim to none. It's very likely that parts of it has been overwritten, as we kept working on the demo after we disabled the 2nd hidden partI don't think I'll push him any more. It will be up to Vention to decide whether or not he wants to pursue this matter, and judging by what he has said so far, it'll be a long shot to find the code on the HDD anyway.

Many thanks go to Vention for his reply :great And maybe one day he *will* find the dream again ;)

Edit: Now where's Akira to tell me I told you so :blased

[Akira]

Right here, baby, right here! :D

[andreas]

I don't like the look of this at all. A HDD which probably all the still-working code data is buried on (the world's ONLY HDD with that sought-after source code found on), and Vention can't convince his inner self to give it a whirl at least.
Oh well. Life can be hard. :p

That aside, he did look so cooperative all those past months, so the actual problem might be that the thread was being asleep like Sleeping Beauty for too long. :(

[DH]

@andreas
Probably Vention has s@#t loads of code etc.. on his HDD regarding demo's and stuff, so I can really understand his dilemma. You got to remember this was done 16/17 years ago and I don't blame him for not looking, especially if the code has no obvious link to DD, it'll be like looking for a needle in a haystack ;)

We can only hope he may try one day and I'm sure he'll be in touch either to me, this thread or on the Kefrens main website if he's successful ;)

So my advise to everyone regarding this matter, let's just sleep on it and wait and see :)

[cosmicfrog]

least we know hes still around and doing stuff, Never know in old age he might revsit he`s old code

[extralife]

well i would actually think it would be coolio if he someday found the time to backup all his code snippets and had them uploaded somewhere, like here for safe keeping :D i'm pretty sure "some" people would just loove to have a peek hehe

[Rixa]

least we know hes still around and doing stuff, Never know in old age he might revsit he`s old code

By that time the hard disk will not spin up anymore though .. hope he has taken block level archival backups of it by now.

[andreas]

THAT is the problem. Preserve the stuff before it's too late (yes you C64 fans will know this from a similar slogan used by another project perhaps ;))

[Rixa]

Unfortunately even people who really should know better often ignore the importance of protecting their data against disk failure.. :blased

[Akira]

Some people just dont' care about data.
To me, it is the most valuable aset.

[Paul_s]

Can we make a film about this? :D

Desert Dream - the lost code...
Putty Squad - give me those floppies or Morph gets it...

We could nuke Melon Designs with a big Melon from the sky :cool (only kidding, I do like Melon's work too :D )

[andreas]

No, better show some "melons" instead :laughing
(ah whose exactly you ask? well just according to your personal taste and expectations in size! :lol)

[extralife]

No, better show some "melons" instead :laughing
(ah whose exactly you ask? well just according to your personal taste and expectations in size! :lol)

:great I second that, "melons" ftw :lol